Another Big Buff Thread

[JPE123]

I'm pretty sure he'd leave it. Max I'd go would be 5 years and 7 million per (maybe a bit more)

I'd love to have Buff but wouldn't want more than 5 years

 

[HisNoodliness]

If the Wings are willing to give Gator a seven year deal, they better not have any problems giving Buff a seven year deal.

One awful contract doesn't make other bad contacts better. Buff will be good for ~4 years.. Will those be worth having him tag along after...probably but it's tough.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

One awful contract doesn't make other bad contacts better. Buff will be good for ~4 years.. Will those be worth having him tag along after...probably but it's tough.

Difference being the Wings don't have anything in the defensive pipeline that looks like they will pan out to be anything more than a bunch of tweeners.

If Ken Holland wants to keep on trying to contend with this roster, he needs to sign Buff.

 

[Frk It]

Wouldn't be an issue if we didn't already have Abby and Ericsson signed for way too long.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Wouldn't be an issue if we didn't already have Abby and Ericsson signed for way too long.

At least Ericsson's expires a few years before Buff's theoretically would.

It's not like Ericsson is NOW about to start a long-term deal.

 

[PelagicJoe]

At least Ericsson's expires a few years before Buff's theoretically would.

It's not like Ericsson is NOW about to start a long-term deal.

Can't we technically waive Ericsson and hope someone picks him up?

 

[InjuredChoker]

Can't we technically waive Ericsson and hope someone picks him up?

yes but wings won't do that and no one is going to pick a guy on waivers who has 6 years (inc. this one) at over 4 mil per year left on his deal. even if they haven't watched ericsson play these past two seasons.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

yes but wings won't do that and no one is going to pick a guy on waivers who has 6 years (inc. this one) at over 4 mil per year left on his deal. even if they haven't watched ericsson play these past two seasons.

Actually Ericsson has 5 years left (inc this one) But I know what you're getting at at over 4 mil per year.

 

[Bench]

Buff, Green, and Kronwall as your top 3 suddenly looks like a team that's going to score a lot from the blueline. Sign me up.

Pay the guy what it takes to convince him Detroit is his new home. The Wings won't be the only suitor, so let's not lowball the guy and lose another impact player in a position of desperate need. He's huge, he hits, he scores, he shoots right... he checks every damn box we could hope to find in free agency other than the fact he'll be in his 30s.

These big guys do slow down as age catches them, but look at Chara, who didn't really take a big step back until last year, at age 37. Even Chara right now, though would be the Wings best defender... so yeah.

 

[Laser Rayzor]

Buff, Green, and Kronwall as your top 3 suddenly looks like a team that's going to score a lot from the blueline. Sign me up.

Pay the guy what it takes to convince him Detroit is his new home. The Wings won't be the only suitor, so let's not lowball the guy and lose another impact player in a position of desperate need. He's huge, he hits, he scores, he shoots right... he checks every damn box we could hope to find in free agency other than the fact he'll be in his 30s.

These big guys do slow down as age catches them, but look at Chara, who didn't really take a big step back until last year, at age 37. Even Chara right now, though would be the Wings best defender... so yeah.

Not sure Chara is the best comparable for Big Buff, one of them is notorious for his commitment to physical health and the other...not so much.

I'll just leave this here

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Before the pro-Buff guys start out on me I just want to reiterate that I would love Buff on this team but I for one would rather pay him bigger money in order to get him on a shorter term.

 

[Bench]

Oh right, the fat photo of Buff. Of course. He's fat, hahahahahahah

 

[Laser Rayzor]

Oh right, the fat photo of Buff. Of course. He's fat, hahahahahahah

Not saying he wouldn't be a good player and help the team for another 5 years (maybe more) but your example is flawed. Suggesting that Buff could maintain a high level of play late into his 30s because Chara did it is not a good argument IMO, and that's all I was saying.

In fact look at the guys who maintained high level of play in their later years, how many of them had question marks about their fitness?

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Not saying he wouldn't be a good player and help the team for another 5 years (maybe more) but your example is flawed. Suggesting that Buff could maintain a high level of play late into his 30s because Chara did it is not a good argument IMO, and that's all I was saying.

In fact look at the guys who maintained high level of play in their later years, how many of them had question marks about their fitness?

I am with you Jurky. I think he will go from great to worthless in a very short period of time. I will, however, give the Buff fans here credit. Most advocating for signing him agree that he will be garbage well before the end of his next deal. I am glad that they have realistic expectations.

 

[Dotter]

Over blown. Buff's been really good at hockey the last 5 years.

Not worth the risk. He has history. That's enough to not give up assets PLUS a long term contract.

Considering he's on the wrong side of 30 and has history coming to camp fat and out of shape, two years is all I'd give. Nothing more.

 

[MTU hockey]

Not worth the risk. He has history. That's enough to not give up assets PLUS a long term contract.

Considering he's on the wrong side of 30 and has history coming to camp fat and out of shape, two years is all I'd give. Nothing more.

And yet he still produces at greater than a 0.5 PPG clip. That's pretty good for being out of shape

 

[lidstromiscool]

One plus I can think of for giving Buff a big contract, is it might force Detroit to keep up some cheaper ELC players on the big team (AA, Mantha, Oullette) Instead of higher priced veterans (Richards)

 

[Dotter]

And yet he still produces at greater than a 0.5 PPG clip. That's pretty good for being out of shape

He wants a fat contract. How he is performing this year and previous years doesn't promise he'll sustain that after his fat contract. It's a risk I am not willing to make.

He's turning 31. Even if he stays in shape (which I doubt he will), give him 2 years and he will significantly slow down due to age.

 

[RayMoonDoh]

with D/Z/K all slowing down, younger guys establishing themselves, and the wealth of assets (mainly forward prospects) the wings have to take a chance while there's still a window.

Kronner-green
Dk-buff
Is a pretty good top 4, throw in the forward depth (even after losing a body or two to acquire buff) and Mrazek, baby you got a stew goin.

My question is, if the wings can make a legit push for the cup the next couple seasons due in part to signing buff, isn't it worth a few seasons of pain after?

There is no perfect D man available out there, we gotta accept that.

Pav and Z deserve another ring.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Looks like winnipeg is out of the playoffs.

They are not catching the Central. The best hope they have is a wilcard spot. And Kieth is back pretty soon I think. So that leaves only 1 wildcard spot. Hopefully they just keep losing so Big Buff is an option.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Not worth the risk. He has history. That's enough to not give up assets PLUS a long term contract.

Considering he's on the wrong side of 30 and has history coming to camp fat and out of shape, two years is all I'd give. Nothing more.

What history is that? Being fat?

 

[Chance on Chance]

What history is that? Being fat?

A history of 50 points and being an absolute beast?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Would love to add Buff to the team, But not sure for 7 years $55MM he would be around 38 or 39 by the end of the deal depending on length if the wings were to trade for him at the trade deadline.

 

[PullHard]

Kindl
Smith
Quincey

vs

Byfuglien
Schlemko/ Hejda/ vet 6-7Dman
Marchenko/ Ouellet/ etc

it just makes way too much sense to me

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I could see most teams offering Big Buff around 5 years $40 Million. If he truly wants 8 years $55 Million I just can't see too many teams offering him a 8 year deal. Not sure that even Winnipeg would go more then 5 years on him.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

I could see most teams offering Big Buff around 5 years $40 Million. If he truly wants 8 years $55 Million I just can't see too many teams offering him a 8 year deal. Not sure that even Winnipeg would go more then 5 years on him.

The only team that can go 8 years is Winnipeg. Everyone else has to go 7 max.