Anniversary of the Weber/Pernell trade

[E82]

Thoughts about the first year? I remember the consensus on here was that Nashville Top4 D rose as being the best in the league. Weber had an amazing start to the season , as the Habs generally do and Nashville instead struggled to find chemistry in the beginning. I always maintained that Nashville would be the winner of the trade in the short and long term. They proved so by reaching the cup finals with that very same Top4 D leading the way.

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[VoluntaryDom]

Yup, Preds won.

 

[Toene]

I love PK but he shouldve taken his game up a notch during the finals. He was held scoreless. That's what I like with Weber. He can actually score goals. PK is a way better possession player but ~20 goals from a dman is very valuable.

I was mad at the trade and would prefer PK because we have no top pair PMD. Im a bit cynical about it but Im pretty much over the trade. What else can we do?

 

[Drake744]

It was literally about a year ago to the minute that this happened. IIRC, the news broke right around 3:00 Central time last July 29. Crazy.

 

[Mrb1p]

Weber finished 5th in norris in voting and Subban was injured most of the year. Draw because of the SCF?

 

[crowi]

Weber is getting slow. Subban is in his prime. Nashville won easily in my books.

 

[Wats]

The deal was supposed to be good for MTL now and better for NSH in future. Habs ended up losing as fast as they ever do in 1st and Preds ended having a season better than ever.

Win future and win now.

 

[HF007]

Montreal took a huge L

 

[Foppberg]

Thought it was a loss on Montreal's part when it happened, but it was close.

Now I think the gap is just going to widen as time goes on.

 

[Juicy Pop]

I'll admit that I stared at the title for a while. I don't think I've ever actually seen his full name until just now.

 

[armani]

Nashville won that trade quite handily, getting a young Norris winner while getting rid of Weber's contract and age related performance decline each passing season for 9 more years until he is 40.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I love PK but he shouldve taken his game up a notch during the finals. He was held scoreless. That's what I like with Weber. He can actually score goals. PK is a way better possession player but ~20 goals from a dman is very valuable.

I was mad at the trade and would prefer PK because we have no top pair PMD. Im a bit cynical about it but Im pretty much over the trade. What else can we do?

It's been a year and I've come to the conclusion that both guys are overrated and overpaid.

Subban is younger and more dynamic so habs lost the trade in a vacuum, but I don't see it haunting us like chelios,Roy,leclair, McDonough.

Weber is still a great player and will be for a while.

 

[417]

This will end up being the most talked about trade, the most over-analyzed trade, etc.

But in the end...it'll end up being a wash.

 

[417]

Thought it was a loss on Montreal's part when it happened, but it was close.

Now I think the gap is just going to widen as time goes on.

I think both players have reached their peaks...for Weber, it was a few years ago.

Subban is an excellent Dman, but I don't see much more growth in his future. He'll level off to be what he is now, somewhere in the top 10-12 Dmen in the NHL.

Whole lot of ink wasted for what will end up being a wash.

 

[crowi]

I think both players have reached their peaks...for Weber, it was a few years ago.

Subban is an excellent Dman, but I don't see much more growth in his future. He'll level off to be what he is now, somewhere in the top 10-12 Dmen in the NHL.

Whole lot of ink wasted for what will end up being a wash.

I disagree it being a "wash". MTL traded for a slowing d-man who is past his prime for one that is in his prime.

 

[Burke the Legend]

I don't think either player had much of a marginal impact on their team's destinies, they probably would have been in the same place either way.

Nashville had a good team in 2016, they lost in the 2nd round in game 7 to the West champs. Their biggest downfall was weak goaltending from Rinne. That team had some improvements up front, and most importantly got like .940 goaltending from Rinne who played his best in 5 years through the first 3 rounds. That carried them to the final.

For Montreal they ran into a bad matchup against a hot Lunquvist and a tight checking Rangers team. They didn't have the offensive talent to breakthrough. Could PK been a bit more helpful? Maybe but Weber was IMO the 2nd most effective skater for the Canadiens after Radulov so he really would have had to put on some Karlsson-esque performance to do improve on Weber (which he never really did on Nashville). Weber also rang the post like 2-3 times on big clappers that had beaten Lunqvist, an inch or two could have swapped a game or two.

 

[crowi]

I don't think either player had much of a marginal impact on their team's destinies, they probably would have been in the same place either way.

Nashville had a good team in 2016, they lost in the 2nd round in game 7 to the West champs. Their biggest downfall was weak goaltending from Rinne. That team had some improvements up front, and most importantly got like .940 goaltending from Rinne who played his best in 5 years through the first 3 rounds. That carried them to the final.

Sure you can put that on Rinne partly, but to just overlook how bad Weber was is pretty cute.

 

[Mrb1p]

I disagree it being a "wash". MTL traded for a slowing d-man who is past his prime for one that is in his prime.

Weber finished 5th in norris voting... When is he gonna slow down exactly? 42 pts... 20 goals.. Rock solid defense... Where did he slow down?

 

[417]

I disagree it being a "wash". MTL traded for a slowing d-man who is past his prime for one that is in his prime.

They've both leveled off...I think Subban is better and has been a for a few years now.

But I don't think either player is trending up. I think they've both leveled off, Weber will just start trending down sooner.

 

[crowi]

Weber finished 5th in norris voting... When is he gonna slow down exactly? 42 pts... 20 goals.. Rock solid defense... Where did he slow down?

Ok, sure man.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

What is with people on HFBoards and referring to players in weird ways? Are you Subban's grandma or something?

 

[TT1]

Dunno Weber played well for us, personally i thought Subban played better for us than he did for Nashville this season..

 

[Cotton]

Weber finished 5th in norris voting... When is he gonna slow down exactly? 42 pts... 20 goals.. Rock solid defense... Where did he slow down?

*6th

 

[scrubadam]

Both teams got what they wanted out of the trade.

Montreal had a better regular season, but Nash went farther in the playoffs.

Montreal's loss wasn't on Weber nor on having no PK, it was on their forwards up front. PK helped in Nash but he had 1 more point than his partner Ekholm and the real difference maker was Rinne (just see the difference between the games in Pitts and the games in Nash).

Question now becomes which contract becomes worse quicker and which team can get out from that contract.

 

[knuck]

hard to believe i've been furious for 365 consecutive days