Andrei Svechnikov vs Brady Tkachuk

[Sun God Nika]

100 points is hard but 80 points with a perhaps a sprinkle of 90 is basically set in stone for Svechnikov. And who knows perhaps 100 in a career year.

You really need to watch more Svechnikov, he's really that good.

I was replying to "100 pts a every year" The last player to put up back to back 100 pt seasons was Kucherov over two full seasons. no one else has done it since.

 

[SotasicA]

Erik Karlsson could go into the corner for a loose puck against Chris Neil and leave with the puck 90/100 with his superior puck skills..

The 10 times he wouldn't leave with the puck, he wouldn't leave, period.

EDIT: well, he would, but on a stretcher.

 

[jbeck5]

The 10 times he wouldn't leave with the puck, he wouldn't leave, period.

EDIT: well, he would, but on a stretcher.

And that's tkachuk for you. Chiarot went into the corner with Brady. Took a hit and then took a few punches to the nose.

Weber went behind the net to battle with Brady. Brady ended up throwing him on his ass onto his own net.

It's not like with svechnikov where you might get bumped/hit... With tkachuk you might have to drop the gloves if you give him any type of shot. Which is why the 2 aren't a like in terms of style or toughness level.

 

[Bileur]

This whole thing about physicality is completely beside the point. Svechnikov is not some non-physical player. He's third on his team in hits, and top-30 among all forwards, which makes the Laine comparison completely insane prima facie.

I would completely agree that when Svechnikov is having a down-year and doing things like fanning on an ENG shot (like he did last night) then you can look at what Tkachuk's physicality as a difference-maker between them. But when Svechnikov is out there in 40-goal mode, he has enough physicality that it offsets a good chunk of what Tkachuk brings while being on a completely different level offensively.

I agree with you based on the stats you provided above (Svechnikov being 3rd on his team in hits and top 30 among forwards) that the Svechnikov - Laine comparison in terms of physicality is prima fascie insane. Svechnikov hits about twice as much as Laine.

On the other hand, Tkachuk is first in hits among forwards in the league, less than 10 hits back from the leader. He’s almost 50 hits ahead of the next closest forward. He’s also got more than twice as many hits as Svechnikov. I think you could also agree that a Svechnikov-Tkachuk comparison in terms of physicality is prima fascie insane.

I see you project a « 40-goal mode » for Svechnikov. What do you project Brady to produce in his prime for AS to be on a « completely different level offensively »?

 

[tarheelhockey]

I see you project a « 40-goal mode » for Svechnikov. What do you project Brady to produce in his prime for AS to be on a « completely different level offensively »?

I don't know how fair it would be for me to project this, but given his playstyle and the natural impacts that tend to afflict forwards who do a lot of hitting, I would expect Tkachuk to max out near 30 goals and 60 points (given his 1:1 ratio... obviously assists will be somewhat team dependent) and have a relatively short stay at that level before injuries kick in. If he goes higher than that, or has a long career at that level, I would file it as a surprising outcome and not something I'd have predicted at this stage.

Based on the past 3 years of Svechnikov, I would be very surprised if he continues to struggle to hold a 30-goal pace for much longer. He's more like a Tarasenko level scoring threat and has no business falling short of 40 goals in his prime.

 

[GoldiFox]

It's not like with svechnikov where you might get bumped/hit... With tkachuk you might have to drop the gloves if you give him any type of shot. Which is why the 2 aren't a like in terms of style or toughness level.

The most interesting thing about this idea is that Svechnikov has had at least 3 huge hits over the past 5-10 games that immediately resulted in fights breaking out. And two of those hits in the past couple games were right in front of the opponent's bench. Svech gets beat on all game too and he plays on an edge that gets him a ton of penalties.

The two are very much alike in terms of style and toughness. As one may imagine given that both are among the top young Power Forwards in the NHL right now.

 

[Pinto Bean]

Brady - better goal scorer, more physical and gives everyones he plays with a +1 boost.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Oof

Your profile picture says it all

 

[Golden_Jet]

The most interesting thing about this idea is that Svechnikov has had at least 3 huge hits over the past 5-10 games that immediately resulted in fights breaking out. And two of those hits in the past couple games were right in front of the opponent's bench. Svech gets beat on all game too and he plays on an edge that gets him a ton of penalties.

The two are very much alike in terms of style and toughness. As one may imagine given that both are among the top young Power Forwards in the NHL right now.

how did Svech do in the 3 fights

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

how did Svech do in the 3 fights

He killed five men

 

[DaveG]

how did Svech do in the 3 fights

 

[Bileur]

The most interesting thing about this idea is that Svechnikov has had at least 3 huge hits over the past 5-10 games that immediately resulted in fights breaking out. And two of those hits in the past couple games were right in front of the opponent's bench. Svech gets beat on all game too and he plays on an edge that gets him a ton of penalties.

The two are very much alike in terms of style and toughness. As one may imagine given that both are among the top young Power Forwards in the NHL right now.

They are not alike in terms of style and especially nothing alike in terms of toughness. Just stop.

Five forwards have a 300+ hit seasons since they started recording the hit stat. Brady is one of those five (along with Matt Martin, Cal Clutterbuck, Dustin Brown and Tuomo Ruutu). Brady is the first top 6 calibre forward to do it since Ruutu and Brown in 2010-2011.

In fact, Brady’s 303 hits in 71 games last season is only 38 fewer hits than Svechnikov’s total over his 200 regular season games. Since they both entered the league, Brady is 2nd overall in total hits, Svechnikov is 75th.

Brady is leading the league in fighting majors this year. He has taken on all comers, both to defend himself and his teammates. In fact, he has two more fighting majors than the Hurricanes team combined. Svechnikov has no regular season fighting majors in his career. Brady has handled himself admirably in his fights, including more than holding his own against big very tough guys like Weber. Svechnikov got KO’ed in his one career fight against a big, angry, but seldom fighting Ovechkin.

Brady leads the league in penalties drawn this season with 32, almost doubling Svechnikov’s 17. He’s also taken seven fewer minor penalties than Svechnikov. In fact, since they both entered the league, Brady is leading the league in penalties drawn with 108, almost double Svechnikov’s 55 (which is good for 45th in the league). Brady has a net penalty rating of 24 more penalties drawn than taken in that time compared to Svechnikov’s 24 more penalties taken than drawn.

Svechnikov is a nice new age power forward who I would kill to have on the sens. Brady is an nice old school power forward who could step into a 1994-2003 NHL hockey rink and still be a legitimate power forward.

You can prefer Svechnikov over Brady and choose him in the poll without diminishing what makes Brady a unique player in the NHL today.

 

[The Expert]

I like Brady Tkachuk a lot and I think that he is nastier and a bit more physical than Svechnikov. I like that about his game. But I also see a big gap in goal scoring ability.

I like Svechnikov a lot, but you have it a little backwards. The gap in their goal scoring ability slightly favours Brady (59g in 192 gp vs 57g in 200gp), while the gap in their physicality is pretty big favouring Brady (692 hits in 192 gp vs 341 hits in 200gp).

The most interesting thing about this idea is that Svechnikov has had at least 3 huge hits over the past 5-10 games that immediately resulted in fights breaking out. And two of those hits in the past couple games were right in front of the opponent's bench. Svech gets beat on all game too and he plays on an edge that gets him a ton of penalties.

The two are very much alike in terms of style and toughness. As one may imagine given that both are among the top young Power Forwards in the NHL right now.

The Canes have been in 3 fights in the month of April and none of them seemed to have anything to do with Svechnikov as far as I can tell...

 

[GoldiFox]

I like Svechnikov a lot, but you have it a little backwards. The gap in their goal scoring ability slightly favours Brady (59g in 192 gp vs 57g in 200gp), while the gap in their physicality is pretty big favouring Brady (692 hits in 192 gp vs 341 hits in 200gp).


The Canes have been in 3 fights in the month of April and none of them seemed to have anything to do with Svechnikov as far as I can tell...

You can look at the highlights and history of both. Brady will have a higher floor because he is great at creating havoc in front of the net and cashing in. Svechnikov has a higher-end shot selection and should have some 30-40 goal seasons in him. Both will have impact far beyond that as a power forward's contribution is hard to measure just by their own goals/points considering both Brady and Svechnikov win so many puck battles and create many screens that don't necessarily translate to production.

The Canes have the lowest NHL total of 4 fights all year and they are from Gardiner, Hamilton, Paquette, and Martinook. Another time Max Domi punched a gloved Nino Niederreiter in the face a bunch of times and both got majors. The Canes are coached by Rod Brind'Amour. I would guess that Rod is telling Svechnikov not to risk injury or spend 5 minutes in the box to bear hug a guy like Nathan Bealieu or Zack MacEwan down to the ice. They need him out there to win games.

The fights I point out didn't result in major penalties. Just 5-6 guys going at it after a big hit. A lot more common occurrence than fights these days in Canes games.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I wouldn't trade Brady straight up for Svechnikov, and I'd imagine Canes fans wouldn't make that trade either. Brady's just starting to play with some decent talent, I expect his stats to improve in the coming years, and he brings so much more than just putting up points. He's a fearless leader who the entire team feeds off of. I don't think Svechnikov will ever be capable of being that sparkplug for his team like Brady is, but he likely has a higher offensive upside. I suppose it's just a matter of if you think those extra 15-20 points he might score every year are worth all the intangible qualities Brady brings to the ice.

 

[Pi]

Think Svech has the higher ceiling. Could be a ~PPG player. I don’t see that from Brady but he will likely be the more physical, pest type player.

 

[Korpse]

The Canes are coached by Rod Brind'Amour. I would guess that Rod is telling Svechnikov not to risk injury or spend 5 minutes in the box to bear hug a guy like Nathan Bealieu or Zack MacEwan down to the ice. They need him out there to win games.

DJ Smith has publicly said several times he doesn't want Brady fighting either. What Brady is doing, is creating space for himself moving forward, he is going toe to toe with the biggest defenders he can find and it sends the message that if you want to muck it up, expect a response. A lot of defenders will be passive when they are in a battle with him. He will be fighting a lot less moving forward.

 

[Mrb1p]

Lol this is Svechnikov hands down, spite thread.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Hockey minds take Brady all day.

 

[Korpse]

Lol this is Svechnikov hands down, spite thread.

Damn dude. The loses to Ottawa must have really hurt huh. Just a game bro.

 

[Just Linda]

You'd probably be better off just converting tkachuk to center. He already takes a bunch of faceoffs and plays in the middle lane often.

He wouldn't make a good centre at all. He's too slow, if he'd have been a good centre then Sens would have tried it long ago.

 

[Just Linda]

Hockey minds take Brady all day.

What hockey insider? Doubt you'd find one.

 

[jbeck5]

He wouldn't make a good centre at all. He's too slow, if he'd have been a good centre then Sens would have tried it long ago.

The sens have Chris Tierney at center. Brady is a much better skater than Tierney.

Brady has always been a winger. He's better at winger. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be better at center than other weaker centers. There's just no point if he's at his best on the wing.

 

[Steddy33]

Svechnikov is great. Still would rather have Brady.

 

[Golden_Jet]

What hockey insider? Doubt you'd find one.

Your right probably several.