Pre-Game Talk: Alec Baldwin is Going to Jail

[Zerotonine]

I don’t have direct first hand knowledge, but I know a fellow that played for him in Washington who once told me he’s one of the nicer guys he’s ever played for. Can be demanding, he said, but was also forgiving and very people oriented. I’ve not seen him act as you say in the media but maybe I’ve just not been in the “right” place to observe said traits.

It's the way he comes across in interviews. Just rubbed me the wrong way. But nice to hear from players I'm wrong. Goes alot further them the media

 

[BlackDogg]

Little different. I dont recall them saying you have to check the brakes before every drive.

All firearm courses teach that you treat every firearm as loaded until verified otherwise. I would think that would be especially important if your going to be pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger.

Totally agree. The Canucks always play us hard and Bo Horvat always plays well and usually scores on us. This has a trap game written all over it.


Would he need to check the brakes before driving a car on the set as well?

 

[Stoneman89]

Little different. I dont recall them saying you have to check the brakes before every drive.

All firearm courses teach that you treat every firearm as loaded until verified otherwise. I would think that would be especially important if your going to be pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger.

Firearms checking is recommended though, not legalized. Pretty sure this is a new DA trying to make a name for herself, as was already suggested. She'll likely get one of them.

 

[BlackDogg]

Yah and it all seems like a setup. But maybe they were just left in there since they used the weapon, which opens another few cans of worms. Just weird that those rounds were in there in the first place.

Firearms checking is recommended though, not legalized. Pretty sure this is a new DA trying to make a name for herself, as was already suggested. She'll likely get one of them.

 

[BlackDogg]

Because of this thread title, I'm sure it will go to the dreaded shootout.

 

[brentashton]

It's the way he comes across in interviews. Just rubbed me the wrong way. But nice to hear from players I'm wrong. Goes alot further them the media

Like

Because of this thread title, I'm sure it will go to the dreaded shootout.

Lol

 

[FlameChampion]

Because of this thread title, I'm sure it will go to the dreaded shootout.

Great. You just made McDavid mad!

 

[bellagiobob]

I hope the Oilers don’t hit any of the Canuck players with pucks. That would be terrible and very unsportsmanlike.

 

[McXLNC97]

Will be at the game tonight....hoping to see some Mcdavid magic tonight.

 

[tardigrade81]

yeah thats what i said.

if anything multiple charges--im not a gun nut per se but i assume you dont just keep loaded guns at work unless that is your job.

edit; turns out the amrorer was charged according to reddit.

Ya agreee completely. Such a crazy situation

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Always check your weapon folks. Even if you see someone else clear it.

 

[Furious Nerd]

I'm a bit worried about the Canucks coming out and playing very hard in order to 'win one for Bruce'.

Good team leadership would know how to play this, but maybe the Canucks just don't have that kind of leadership.

They were pretty solid against us on December 23. Horvat got 4 points and Delia put up a wall.

The Oilers can't rest on their laurels here.

 

[Ibanez]

Maybe. Winning in the nhl is hard, even against crappy teams. I would be shocked if we won another 5 in a row.

That being said, I would love to see it

Yeah let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. Jeez.

Hope for another win. Take it one at a time

We lay eggs on regular. No streak is safe!!!

I'm a bit worried about the Canucks coming out and playing very hard in order to 'win one for Bruce'.

Good team leadership would know how to play this, but maybe the Canucks just don't have that kind of leadership.

They were pretty solid against us on December 23. Horvat got 4 points and Delia put up a wall.

The Oilers can't rest on their laurels here.

They look pretty beat down lately. But on any night. Any team has a chance to win in this league. We can’t take anyone for granted.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

It's the way he comes across in interviews. Just rubbed me the wrong way. But nice to hear from players I'm wrong. Goes alot further them the media

Same. I think they come out flying.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Which protocols did Baldwin break? The scene in question requires the actor to raise their gun and cock the gun so it can be seen by the audience, now presumably the director wanted an angle where the actor is pointing the gun towards the camera, which isn't uncommon. We've seen this kind of shot in movies a hundred different times. There's nothing crazy that happened it's not like Baldwin strolled onto set and started doing stuff that was way off script, he was rehearsing the scene exactly how it was written in the script and they were lining up the shooting angle exactly how the director and camera woman wanted the shot.

There's not supposed to be a f***ing real bullet in the gun, never, ever, never, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER. lol, that's the problem and that is the fault of armorer not doing their freaking job.

Even if the assistant director screwed up (which he did) and called it a cold gun (which he apparently did) it should never result in someone getting killed because the worst thing that should happen is the actor accidentally fires and all they fire is a blank, and a blank should never kill anyone. That's the *whole* point of blanks, lol. Even an accidental discharge should never result in a death on a movie set. Although in this case I believe it was supposed to be a dummy bullet full stop, a dummy bullet isn't supposed to even fire, it's only there to show the audience that a gun is "loaded" but it can't fire. So a dummy bullet is even more idiot proof than a blank.

If I hire you to be an extra on a movie shoot and I hand you a sword and tell you it's safe and then tell you to swing it at a group of zombies and on the second take, the blade flies off and impales somebody, is that your fault? Somebody f***ed up by not checking the integrity of the sword. That should never be the job of the actor, it shouldn't frankly even be the job of the assistant director or director. The prop master/armorer should know every damn weapon on set and have inspected them forwards and backwards before they ever get within 50 feet of a performer.

Supposedly, a video I watched speculated he was handling the gun improperly.

He said when the gun went off had just let go of the hammer after cocking it. Which by design is impossible with that weapon.

The only way the weapon would’ve discharged is if he was putting pressure on the trigger at the same time he was cocking it. That action releases the safeties and allows the weapon to fire. This is how in westerns the guns would fire just by cocking and letting go of the hammer.

So he should’ve known that could happen and should’ve been safer with the gun hence involuntary manslaughter.

 

[brentashton]

I hope the Oilers don’t hit any of the Canuck players with pucks. That would be terrible and very unsportsmanlike.

Welcome to the BHL, Bubblewrap Hockey League. Good grief.

Rock em sock em videos wouldn’t have a chance nowadays. But I guess we threw out our VCRs so who cares.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

I hope the Oilers don’t hit any of the Canuck players with pucks. That would be terrible and very unsportsmanlike.

Bouchard is gonna unload so many clappers at the Canucks that they’re gonna feel like they’re on the set of rust.

 

[bellagiobob]

Welcome to the BHL, Bubblewrap Hockey League. Good grief.

Rock em sock em videos wouldn’t have a chance nowadays. But I guess we threw out our VCRs so who cares.

Lightning have asked to league to only use sponge games in their games.

 

[Soundwave]

Supposedly, a video I watched speculated he was handling the gun improperly.

He said when the gun went off had just let go of the hammer after cocking it. Which by design is impossible with that weapon.

The only way the weapon would’ve discharged is if he was putting pressure on the trigger at the same time he was cocking it. That action releases the safeties and allows the weapon to fire. This is how in westerns the guns would fire just by cocking and letting go of the hammer.

So he should’ve known that could happen and should’ve been safer with the gun hence involuntary manslaughter.

It shouldn't make a difference because a REAL BULLET shouldn't be in the freaking gun chamber and the AD shouldn't have called it a cold gun when it wasn't a cold gun.

If I hand you a what I say is a fake sword and you swing it and it turns out not only is the sword not fake, but the blade of the sword isn't properly affixed and the blade goes flying across the room badly hurting or killing someone ... who's at fault there? You?

But from what I understand that same gun had misfired *twice* already on that same shoot as well, so I'm not even sure how much I buy the "it can't possibly misfire!" when it already did so twice on the same shoot.

By the way the same armorer who was on this shoot had got ripped a new one by Nicolas Cage on a previous shoot for doing stupid shit with guns.

They have no case IMO, Baldwin if anything is a victim, that's a f***ed up thing to do to a person. The actor who was handed a gun that shot and killed Brandon Lee on the set on The Crow ... it wasn't that guy's fault either, the idiot film producers had ran out of blanks and then bought real bullets and tried to modify them to be blanks. But that guy has said he was traumatized for life and was never able to get over the event, totally f***ed up, feel bad for that guy it wasn't his fault.

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

The first thing that came to my mind when I seen this Bladwin stuff was Bruce lee's son. What a terrible tragedy for the both them.

 

[Broberg Speed]

I don't give a shit about Alec Baldwin.

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[Biltmore]

Whoever brought live bullets on to that set is the one that needs to head to jail. This sounds to me like sabatoge. Baldwin's job is to act, not check gun safety, or be a gun expert. That's why specialists are hired.

I read they were doing target practice the day before using that gun and real bullets. And then the dummies the real bullets in with the dummy bullets.

 

[brentashton]

It shouldn't make a difference because a REAL BULLET shouldn't be in the freaking gun chamber and the AD shouldn't have called it a cold gun when it wasn't a cold gun.

If I hand you a what I say is a fake sword and you swing it and it turns out not only is the sword not fake, but the blade of the sword isn't properly affixed and the blade goes flying across the room badly hurting or killing someone ... who's at fault there? You?

But from what I understand that same gun had misfired *twice* already on that same shoot as well, so I'm not even sure how much I buy the "it can't possibly misfire!" when it already did so twice on the same shoot.

By the way the same armorer who was on this shoot had got ripped a new one by Nicolas Cage on a previous shoot for doing stupid shit with guns.

They have no case IMO, Baldwin if anything is a victim, that's a f***ed up thing to do to a person. The actor who was handed a gun that shot and killed Brandon Lee on the set on The Crow ... it wasn't that guy's fault either, the idiot film producers had ran out of blanks and then bought real bullets and tried to modify them to be blanks. But that guy has said he was traumatized for life and was never able to get over the event, totally f***ed up, feel bad for that guy it wasn't his fault.

CEOs get charged when there is willful or non willful negligence on a worksite and someone is injured or worse . It happens in both Canada and the US, not often, But it has happened. Mark Little with CEO Suncor in Ft McMurray resigned due to 2 recent deaths and he’s probably not individually off the hook yet.. I know this always was a risk concern (beyond the obvious safety for employees) in designing safety programs and compliance protocols etc at the large employer and industry I was involved in.

They aren’t physically on the site, but under their leadership, rules were not written or followed, policies were ignored or lacking that ultimately give cause to the incident. I can‘t speak to movie sets in the USA, but assuming there is some similarity in expecting the executive to have necessary workplace controls in place. Alec Baldwin as the executive producer for the production might have this exposure. Cant say for sure, I’m not a USA criminal law expert, but logically it follows.

 

[Stoneman89]

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In hindsight, in future, might be a good idea to stay away from some of the non-hockey controversial potential type stuff for the pre-game thread. Just so the focus can stay on the game. I think we have a thread for stuff like this anyhow.

 

[RegDunlop]

Hope this isn't a trap game. Bruce's last game coaching the Canucks, their guys might actually rise to the occasion for once and play hard for him.

Dangerous game.
While the team is imploding they are still professional hockey players that can win at any time.