AHL Attendance figures

[RFA]

is the list of reported average attendance gone from theahl.com? I hope it is, it was a real joke. But it was funny to see what bologna figures would be posted the next morning. The worst part of it was people took it seriously. Any insight on this? I don't see it, I could be missing it. If it is gone, 3/4 of the AHL beat writers are going to actually have to do some real work covering their team now.

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is the list of reported average attendance gone from theahl.com? I hope it is, it was a real joke. But it was funny to see what bologna figures would be posted the next morning. The worst part of it was people took it seriously. Any insight on this? I don't see it, I could be missing it. If it is gone, 3/4 of the AHL beat writers are going to actually have to do some real work covering their team now.

It's still available to members of the media.

Why would think it being missing would mean "3/4 of the AHL beat writers are going to actually have to do some real work covering their team now"?

 

[RFA]

Over-covering a useless, fabricated stat. I don't see it in the media kits anywhere, but it could be somewhere. It's never used as good news. The people who are interested in the team know how many people go to the games. Unless you're in the top 5 no one wants to hear it. The Albany guy puts the low figures in the AHL articles, but then when covering the college teams then never mention it.

 

[UticaHockey]

It's still there just harder to find. You have to click "Site Map" at the bottom to find it. Some pretty low attendance figures so far.

http://theahl.com/stats/schedule.php?view=attendance

 

[adsfan]

It's still there just harder to find. You have to click "Site Map" at the bottom to find it. Some pretty low attendance figures so far.

http://theahl.com/stats/schedule.php?view=attendance

I think that 5100 a game is good for the AHL. That is typical for Milwaukee. By the end of the season it will be about 5800. The league will increase some too as the NFL season ends. Last year the official number was 5400. There will always be somebody averaging 9000 and some team with 2500.

If you go to enough games, you can tell how many people are in your home arena within a few hundred. I have seen maybe one game a year in Milwaukee where the attendance is "8000" but it was really about 6000. That is usually when we have 6 inches of snow the day before followed by being -5 F. I assume that the 2000 are no shows.

 

[roflstomper]

P-Bruins attendance figures are pretty accurate in my opinion. Not to say they don't give away a certain of tickets and have BOGO tickets but there's usually at least 8000 bodies in the building.

 

[wildthing202]

The movement to Cali scare is sure working in Worcester.

 

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The movement to Cali scare is sure working in Worcester.

No, it's not.

 

[MM658]

Springfield is off to a horrendous start. 5,200 is on the low end, historically, for opening night. Then 2,200 the following Saturday.

I was at today's Sunday afternoon game, and it was easily the least-attended game I have seen in my ~35 years of attending Indians/Falcons games. There were about one thousand people there. Crowd announced as 2,003, FWIW.

Seems like fewer advertisers in the arena, too. I am wondering if the regime change (Landon out, Pompea's daughter in) had led to belt-tightening on the sales staff. They look like a team operating on a shoestring.

 

[wildthing202]

No, it's not.

Worked as in San Jose will be able to move easily since nobody is going to games anymore.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

It's still surprising to see Chicago that low early on in the season, but I know now that after the NFL season ends the Wolves attendance skyrockets.

 

[Tommy Hawk]

It's still surprising to see Chicago that low early on in the season, but I know now that after the NFL season ends the Wolves attendance skyrockets.

And it appears the Bears season is over already......

 

[cjerina]

It's still surprising to see Chicago that low early on in the season, but I know now that after the NFL season ends the Wolves attendance skyrockets.

Having 2 Friday games, now with 7 PM starts, will do that. Contrary to most AHL cities, Friday games typically don't draw crowds for the Wolves.

 

[Hoodaha]

The movement to Cali scare is sure working in Worcester.

Oklahoma City: 3,169 - Bakersfield (ECHL): 4,228
Worchester: 3,014 - Stockton (ECHL): 4,628
Manchester: 5,996 - Ontario (ECHL): 7,943

Just sayin'...

 

[CJNewman]

Oklahoma City: 3,169 - Bakersfield (ECHL): 4,228
Worchester: 3,014 - Stockton (ECHL): 4,628
Manchester: 5,996 - Ontario (ECHL): 7,943

Just sayin'...

What are their operating costs. Does it make financial sense. I know their are certain teams that average 3,500 a game and only pay $2,500 a game in their lease and their are some that average 7,000 a game and pay $25,000 a game in their lease.

 

[Hoodaha]

What are their operating costs. Does it make financial sense. I know their are certain teams that average 3,500 a game and only pay $2,500 a game in their lease and their are some that average 7,000 a game and pay $25,000 a game in their lease.

I don't know about Ontario (they are unusual anyway, because AEG runs the building and the team), but Stockton and Bakersfield's leases are not even remotely in the ballpark of $25,000/game.

 

[Hoodaha]

What are their operating costs. Does it make financial sense. I know their are certain teams that average 3,500 a game and only pay $2,500 a game in their lease and their are some that average 7,000 a game and pay $25,000 a game in their lease.

By the way, even if you just say an average of $15/ticket:

$15 x 3,500 - $2,500 = $50,000
$15 x 7,000 - $25,000 = $80,000

So not a great example.

Even if we use one of my examples and use your outrageous lease numbers:

Manchester: 5,996 - Ontario (ECHL): 7,943

$15 x 5,996 - $2,500 = $87,440
$15 x 7,943 - $25,000 = $94,145

 

[CJNewman]

By the way, even if you just say an average of $15/ticket:

$15 x 3,500 - $2,500 = $50,000
$15 x 7,000 - $25,000 = $80,000

So not a great example.

Even if we use one of my examples and use your outrageous lease numbers:

Manchester: 5,996 - Ontario (ECHL): 7,943

$15 x 5,996 - $2,500 = $87,440
$15 x 7,943 - $25,000 = $94,145

First my numbers might be made up considering attendance, but I'm pretty spot on with the lease comparing large market arenas vs small ones. Now onto to your numbers their incomplete. Yes saying $15 x 5,996 = $87,440 and $15 x 7,943 = 94,145, but to get actual profit you need to divide 5,996 by 87,440 and get $14.58 per ticket and divide 7,943 by 94,145 and get 11.85. Not done yet then you need to multiply 5,996 by $14.58 and get $87,421 and multipy 7,943 by $11.85 and get 94,125. Still not done now you need to subtract $87,421 from $87,440 and get a -$19.00 and subtract $94,145 from $94,125 and get a total of -$20.00. This isn't even include added operations costs like travel, hotels, per diems, and housing costs that these teams would incur from a move. So in conclusion like I said before attendance doesn't mean squat to the bottom line in many cases.

 

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Worked as in San Jose will be able to move easily since nobody is going to games anymore.

They could move if the house was full every night. San Jose wants their prospects closer to them. The amount of fannies in the seats doesn't change that.

 

[Hoodaha]

First my numbers might be made up considering attendance, but I'm pretty spot on with the lease comparing large market arenas vs small ones. Now onto to your numbers their incomplete. Yes saying $15 x 5,996 = $87,440 and $15 x 7,943 = 94,145, but to get actual profit you need to divide 5,996 by 87,440 and get $14.58 per ticket and divide 7,943 by 94,145 and get 11.85. Not done yet then you need to multiply 5,996 by $14.58 and get $87,421 and multipy 7,943 by $11.85 and get 94,125. Still not done now you need to subtract $87,421 from $87,440 and get a -$19.00 and subtract $94,145 from $94,125 and get a total of -$20.00. This isn't even include added operations costs like travel, hotels, per diems, and housing costs that these teams would incur from a move. So in conclusion like I said before attendance doesn't mean squat to the bottom line in many cases.

I agree that there are cost differences that we do not know, but why you need to get the per ticket cost, I am not sure. Really, there just needs to be an overhead deduction after the amount I already calculated.

The markets that I listed are all secondary markets (Bakersfield, Stockton, Ontario), so they can't charge top dollar. I'm sure San Diego won't be cheap, if that happens, but these others aren't all that much bigger than their counterparts in the East. In fact, OKC is much bigger than Bakersfield.

 

[Speed]

The movement to Cali scare is sure working in Worcester.

Worcester's avg attendance is higher this year than it was last year after 4 games (2817).

 

[WolfKeeper]

It's still surprising to see Chicago that low early on in the season, but I know now that after the NFL season ends the Wolves attendance skyrockets.

The Wolves benefit from casual attendance by families, and they're all busy with high school sports and activities. Once it gets cold out, the numbers go up.

 

[RFA]

To assume that any tickets are paid for, let alone paid full price for is a big leap. There are obviously tickets being bought, but the announced figures are so far off any sort of set figure (paid, actually butts in seats, "distributed", etc. that a discussion holding any sort of weight or merit is impossible.

That being said, I expect Albany to do whatever it can to keep at the bottom of the list. It will favor them in lease negotiations with the Arena, as it is up at the end of the season.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Worcester's avg attendance is higher this year than it was last year after 4 games (2817).

another boost tonight as well....

 

[GarbageGoal]

The fans buying into it might be in Manchester. Opening night and Saturday against the Bruins were not good. And their internet fans started buying everything that Kings blog said when it came out end of last season.