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could someone explain to me why adam pineault is ranked so high? I've never seen him play, but his numbers don't exactly jump out at you.
db23 said:Pineault is the most underrated draft prospect on the board. I could see the Habs taking him at #18 in the first round if he is still there.
db23 said:Pineault is the most underrated draft prospect on the board. I could see the Habs taking him at #18 in the first round if he is still there.
Freaky Habs Fan said:The Habs won,t take him at 18th. If they want him, they will trade down and then draft him but not at 18th. This is way to high for the season he just have.
I know the size and skill package are there but the stats aren't and the scouts take that in consideration.
db23 said:There was talk that the Habs wanted to move up into the first round last season to draft Brian Boyle the big right shooting forward who was Pineault's teammate at B.C.
Pineault had as about the same point total as Boyle who was also a freshman, and Adam is a year and a half younger. I think that Boyle went around 20th overall last year, so Pineault should go at least that high.
Dont you know there is a perfect correlation between points, birthdate & where one goes in the draft in any particular year?La-La-Laprise said:Reason Boyle went so high was because he is huge.
Also he was drafted out of St-Sebastien not BC
Sammy said:Dont you know there is a perfect correlation between points, birthdate & where one goes in the draft in any particular year?
db23 said:There was talk that the Habs wanted to move up into the first round last season to draft Brian Boyle the big right shooting forward who was Pineault's teammate at B.C.
Pineault had as about the same point total as Boyle who was also a freshman, and Adam is a year and a half younger. I think that Boyle went around 20th overall last year, so Pineault should go at least that high.
PMP5030 said:Pineault is a strange case. For years observers have raved about his skill and potential, but he just has never come together. He is still young and has a lot
of time to develop.
However, I saw him play numerous times with the NTDP and some games with BC. Honestly, he never impressed me with the NTDP. His skills didn't really stand out over any other player. To compare, I thought Pat Eaves at the time was a much better player and would have more of an impact at the NCAA level.
The games I saw him play for BC, he just didn't work hard on the ice. He didn't hustle for loose pucks, he didn't finish checks, he was a non-factor.
Some say that Pineault has too much talent to have gotten so little ice time with BC, but don't they kind of go hand in hand? For example, Maine certainly had no problems getting ice time for freshman Paul Kariya. Talented players force themselves to get playing time by being a far better option for the coaches to play.
So I wonder how much of Pineault's reputation is just hype. What I've seen just doesn't back it up. And his age isn't really an excuse. Michigan has brought in 17 year-old players who did make an immediate impact with their talent, Mike Cammalleri and Al Montoya. AJ Thelen at Michigan State is another.
PMP5030 said:Pineault is a strange case. For years observers have raved about his skill and potential, but he just has never come together. He is still young and has a lot
of time to develop.
However, I saw him play numerous times with the NTDP and some games with BC. Honestly, he never impressed me with the NTDP. His skills didn't really stand out over any other player. To compare, I thought Pat Eaves at the time was a much better player and would have more of an impact at the NCAA level.
The games I saw him play for BC, he just didn't work hard on the ice. He didn't hustle for loose pucks, he didn't finish checks, he was a non-factor.
Some say that Pineault has too much talent to have gotten so little ice time with BC, but don't they kind of go hand in hand? For example, Maine certainly had no problems getting ice time for freshman Paul Kariya. Talented players force themselves to get playing time by being a far better option for the coaches to play.
So I wonder how much of Pineault's reputation is just hype. What I've seen just doesn't back it up. And his age isn't really an excuse. Michigan has brought in 17 year-old players who did make an immediate impact with their talent, Mike Cammalleri and Al Montoya. AJ Thelen at Michigan State is another.
Sammy said:Dont you know there is a perfect correlation between points, birthdate & where one goes in the draft in any particular year?
How much is a player "supposed" to score depends entirely on the player. Its idiotic to say because 2 players are the same age at the time their respective draft is held, the fact one gets more/less points than the other has is in any material way determinative where they should get drafted relative to the other in another draft.Freaky Habs Fan said:Well, most of a time, when a player don't score as much as he is suppose to, that mean he didn't progress enough. I think this is the case of Pineault.
***As for the Habs and Boyle in the last draft, there's was talk between the two team...The Habs wanted to trade Brisebois for the LA pick in order to draft Boyle...
PMP5030 said:Pineault is a strange case. For years observers have raved about his skill and potential, but he just has never come together. He is still young and has a lot
of time to develop.
However, I saw him play numerous times with the NTDP and some games with BC. Honestly, he never impressed me with the NTDP. His skills didn't really stand out over any other player. To compare, I thought Pat Eaves at the time was a much better player and would have more of an impact at the NCAA level.
The games I saw him play for BC, he just didn't work hard on the ice. He didn't hustle for loose pucks, he didn't finish checks, he was a non-factor.
Some say that Pineault has too much talent to have gotten so little ice time with BC, but don't they kind of go hand in hand? For example, Maine certainly had no problems getting ice time for freshman Paul Kariya. Talented players force themselves to get playing time by being a far better option for the coaches to play.
So I wonder how much of Pineault's reputation is just hype. What I've seen just doesn't back it up. And his age isn't really an excuse. Michigan has brought in 17 year-old players who did make an immediate impact with their talent, Mike Cammalleri and Al Montoya. AJ Thelen at Michigan State is another.
Absolutely. This thread is about "Why is Adam rated so high?", but he is rated 21st among North American players which means he would be expected to go somewhere in the middle of the second round. He is a much better player than that.penkil2 said:When you were comparing Patrick Eaves to Adam Pineault, Pineault was 2 years younger. Pineault was the only underager on the NTDP. Pineault doesn't turn 18 until the end of this month. He was the 2nd highest scorer on the u18 team last year playing RW, which is not his position. He is a RC. Last October he was in the top 10 for the up coming draft. The combo of a very deep team, all freshmen line, rotating who sits out among the freshmen, playing LW and at the end no injuries and a coach who plays his upper-classmen before anyone else hurt all the freshmen at BC. The all freshmen line was not a favorite among many fans who believed the freshmen should have been with experienced play-makers.
Does a massive difference in size ever play into your dark little world? Does what a players skill set & how scouts project them matter? Why is it that you look at stats alone to determine where a guy gets drafted?db23 said:Absolutely. This thread is about "Why is Adam rated so high?", but he is rated 21st among North American players which means he would be expected to go somewhere in the middle of the second round. He is a much better player than that.
He is the most underrated player in the draft along with A.J. Thelen and T.J. Hensick.
Adam was the second highest scorer on the U18 team last year while he was still eligible for the U17 team. He averaged nearly 2 points per game with the U17s in limited action. For all those small minds that can't see the relevence of comparing Boyle's numbers with B.C. to Pineault's this season, I can't be bothered to elucidate the obvious over and over for the hard of comprehending. Go back to your dark little worlds.
penkil2 said:When you were comparing Patrick Eaves to Adam Pineault, Pineault was 2 years younger. Pineault was the only underager on the NTDP. Pineault doesn't turn 18 until the end of this month.