Player Discussion Adam Larsson Part II - The Right Hand (Mod Warning Post #1)

[MettleMcOiler]

This is not a thread to discuss Taylor Hall. It's a thread to discuss Adam Larsson. Please don't take the thread off topic.

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If Sekera was simply propped up by a stud offensive defenseman would you not expect that the stud would have had more points. Sekera had 44 points in 2013-2014 to 32 for Faulk with Faulk playing two more games. At ES Sekera actually outscored Faulk 28 to 23. Certainly playing with Faulk helped but you can't argue that Sekera did not carry his own weight. That said 2013-2104 was clearly a career year for Sekera.

Last year only 85 defenseman had 20 or more points and in 2014-2105 there were 95. If you set the bar at 25 points these numbers would be 65 and 62 players respectively. Given that Sekera has averaged 26.5 pts per season over the last two years and 32.3 pt per season over the last 3, it's hard to argue that the way he has produced over the last 3 years he is not at least a #3 defenseman offensively. As a two way defenseman I think he is certainly a solid #3.

cant possibly be serious here.

Faulk is a 25-30 pt player if he plays 50-55 games every season.

Calling him a 25pt player when he just came off a 37pt in 64game season.. 12PPG second highest in the league for Dmen despite missing 18 games.

Sekera cant hold Faulk's jockstrap offensively or physically.

Faulk is also on a much better contract and is just entering his prime (24yo) while Sekera is about to leave the prime years.

edit: read the post I quoted again... if that 25-30 was meant for Sekera and not Faulk then disregard my post.

Gilbert is a perfect example.

As is Petry. Who showed extremely well his rookie year and didn't get that back imo for years later on his last contract year.

Peckam is another great example.

Schultz obviously.

Nurse.

Even Reinhart clearly won his spot last year before tailing off.

Damn near every young defender the Oilers have had in the last ten years showed great promise/play before tailing off and then being overused.

Consistency against top quality of competition is practically the definition of what makes a effective top 4 nhl defender.

A single mistake is what typically makes the difference between winning and losing.

And on that note, let's remember that a bunch of us here for calling for Davidson to hit waiver wires before he suddenly exploded onto the scene.

yup, the thing that scares me almost the most about next year (not having scoring due to the ridiculous hall-failure-of-a-trade is what worries me the most), is how inflated davidson's worth seems to be by the fans, media, and management.... he played like an adequate top-4 guy for about 20 games, and now he's somehow a lock for 2nd pairing work all year? if there is one thing we should have all learned a long, long time ago is that dmen don't evolve in a straight line

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[Aceboogie]

Larsson is in a pretty special/delicate area because he is right at the age where he can explode or his role will be entrenched for the future. It just takes good coaching/deployment.

Larsson has been used exclusively as a defensive D with the toughest assignments in the NHL. His offensive side hasnt even been touched once. He either had a coach who didnt trust him in any regard and killed his offense, or had one that loved his defensive ability a bit to much.

Hes shown offensive ability and if thats developed he can truely become a #1D (in mold of a Hedman). Even if offense does not pick up, TM developed Vlasic into a top pairing shut down D

I think itd be best to have Klefbom and Larsson stapled together next season in a 2nd pairing role (with some top pairing minutes) and let them develop together. I bet we see the pair in top pairing role tho based on TMs Larsson comments and fact he was playing Klefbom as a top pairing guy pre injury.

If everything goes right we could witness 2 same aged Swedish D complete explode on the scene at same time. That would be amazing to watch. ~23 is around where most Swedish D exploded (OEL, Hedman)

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He came from the Devils so he's kind of the Red right hand, right?

Still glad he's an Oiler.

 

[GMofOilers]

I really hope he turns into our Hedman. I think he has the potential to hit it.

I dont ever look at it Hall for Larsson, because there is no way Chia does that deal without Lucic agreeing to sign here.

 

[bobbythebrain]

I really hope he turns into our Hedman. I think he has the potential to hit it.

I dont ever look at it Hall for Larsson, because there is no way Chia does that deal without Lucic agreeing to sign here.

Chia said he was making the trade regardless of Lucic, and getting JP in the draft was more of an influence.

I believe that version. Hall and Lucic were so separate of eachother. The change of attitude was always going to be a priority. Lucic was coming here regardless if Chia wasn't able to trade Hall.

 

[GMofOilers]

Chia said he was making the trade regardless of Lucic, and getting JP in the draft was more of an influence.

I believe that version. Hall and Lucic were so separate of eachother. The change of attitude was always going to be a priority. Lucic was coming here regardless if Chia wasn't able to trade Hall.

Yeah I get that, but 1 of the 6M dollar men where gone to sign Lucic. Just happened that Hall returned the best of the bunch in Larsson.

 

[Aerchon]

I really hope he turns into our Hedman. I think he has the potential to hit it.

I dont ever look at it Hall for Larsson, because there is no way Chia does that deal without Lucic agreeing to sign here.

Hedman offensively is shooting a bit high. But Larsson obviously has more offense than he has shown to date imo and is already stellar defensively. Hedman with less points but better defensively.

I agree that the deal has always been Hall for Larsson plus solid UFA signing. I would have liked Erikson or Baches every bit as much as Lucic.

Plus getting Puli truly does make Hall a bit more expendable. Both Wingers with speed to burn opponents.

 

[Faelko]

I just hope Oilers fans (this board specifically) don't get all over him when he makes a mistake just because he was the player we traded Hall for. This board will be intolerable (if it isn't already...haha).

 

[Dorian2]

Good follow up to PoundCake's original thread.

Nice job guys!

Don't know if this has been posted:

For the description of the Right Hand, who's he pointing down to the Earth (better known as Hell)?

 

[bobbythebrain]

I just hope Oilers fans (this board specifically) don't get all over him when he makes a mistake just because he was the player we traded Hall for. This board will be intolerable (if it isn't already...haha).

Not to worry. He seldom makes mistakes

 

[McFlyingV]

The coaching staff we have in place did a great job at bringing along young D in SJ in Vlasic, Braun, and Burns, so I'm pretty excited to see what they can do with Larsson, Klefbom, Nurse, Reinhart and even guys like Davidson and Oesterle.

 

[Aceboogie]

The coaching staff we have in place did a great job at bringing along young D in SJ in Vlasic, Braun, and Burns, so I'm pretty excited to see what they can do with Larsson, Klefbom, Nurse, Reinhart and even guys like Davidson and Oesterle.

There is some strong pararells.

Vlasic~Larsson - shut down first top pairing D with good break out ability
Braun~ Davidson - quality defensive D

Maybe Klefbom and Boyle in terms of skating and puck moving, although its a stretch.

Larsson will get a lions share of minutes with McDavid. He won the lottery himself. Imagine looking up ice and seeing McDavid flying around calling for puck.

 

[Esko]

Back onto Larsson- honest question here, as of today is he the best defenseman on the Oiler's roster? The only two defenseman I think you can make an arguement for is either Sekera or Klefbom and I think Larsson is probably better than both.

 

[The Nuge]

Back onto Larsson- honest question here, as of today is he the best defenseman on the Oiler's roster? The only two defenseman I think you can make an arguement for is either Sekera or Klefbom and I think Larsson is probably better than both.

Imo, all 3 are in that #2/3 range, with Larsson being a legit #2, Sekera more of a #3, and Klefa somewhere in between

 

[Up the Irons]

I really hope he turns into our Hedman. I think he has the potential to hit it.

I dont ever look at it Hall for Larsson, because there is no way Chia does that deal without Lucic agreeing to sign here.

That's probably shooting a bit high. But our Vlasic or Boumeister is certainly plausible.

A second tier #1 or top tier #2.

 

[McGoMcD]

Back onto Larsson- honest question here, as of today is he the best defenseman on the Oiler's roster? The only two defenseman I think you can make an arguement for is either Sekera or Klefbom and I think Larsson is probably better than both.

Yes, he is better. There will be little doubt after this year. Both Sekera and Klef are not that far behind, but they are just not the same calibre. Larsson is as good offensivly as both, but he has a defensive edge over those two.

 

[McGoMcD]

That's probably shooting a bit high. But our Vlasic or Boumeister is certainly plausible.

A second tier #1 or top tier #2.

I wouldn't sell his top end too short. If you look at a lot of numbers for the same age he really isn't that far of a Hedman or Ekman-Larsson. If you work in that he has played for a terrible offensive team. He really isn't all that different.

Not saying he will get there, but pretty close. He is that good.

I think the big question mark is can he become a pp guy. If he does his points will jump to 40-50 range in a heart beat. but that remains to be seen, guess we will find out soon enough.

 

[HughJazz3dg]

The amount of points that Adam Larsson got last season is something to be excited about. The context of how defensively they played him is very important when looking at his numbers. He almost never played Powerplay, he got the highest defensive zone starts out of everyone in the league, he played for the worst offensive even strength team in the league, and crushed 20+ minutes a night as a PK specialist. He's such a smart player, and I know you guys will love his game as much as us Devils fans did.

Good luck this season!

 

[oilersrule14]

Back onto Larsson- honest question here, as of today is he the best defenseman on the Oiler's roster? The only two defenseman I think you can make an arguement for is either Sekera or Klefbom and I think Larsson is probably better than both.

I think it's between Klefbom and Larsson. Klef prob has the edge offensively, and Larsson the edge defensively. Hard to compare though because their respective teams obviously played more offensive in one case and defensive in the other. So its hard to separate the system from the player. We'll find out when they're on the ice together next year.

 

[Up the Irons]

I wouldn't sell his top end too short. If you look at a lot of numbers for the same age he really isn't that far of a Hedman or Ekman-Larsson. If you work in that he has played for a terrible offensive team. He really isn't all that different.

Not saying he will get there, but pretty close. He is that good.

I think the big question mark is can he become a pp guy. If he does his points will jump to 40-50 range in a heart beat. but that remains to be seen, guess we will find out soon enough.

Well tbh, I don't kno enough about him to make a call. If he is more OEL than Olhund then we're laughing.

Keeping expectations a bit down. I would be satisfied with Hamrlik type.

 

[McOvechking]

I think the only thing Klefa has on Larsson right now is his shot. Larsson's passing is miles better from everything I've seen, his play in the offensive zone is more dynamic, his skating is just as good, and overall he's better offensively. Defensively, it's not close. And I love Klefbom.

 

[Up the Irons]

I think the only thing Klefa has on Larsson right now is his shot. Larsson's passing is miles better from everything I've seen, his play in the offensive zone is more dynamic, his skating is just as good, and overall he's better offensively. Defensively, it's not close. And I love Klefbom.

Well thats encouraging

 

[Raab]

Back onto Larsson- honest question here, as of today is he the best defenseman on the Oiler's roster? The only two defenseman I think you can make an arguement for is either Sekera or Klefbom and I think Larsson is probably better than both.

Easily! Klefbom might be as good, but still has a lot to prove. As of right now Larsson is head and shoulders above any dman we've had in the last 6 years.

 

[Sinner]

who do you guys think will be Larsson's D partner?

 

[bestmyfeeling]

who do you guys think will be Larsson's D partner?

sure sounds like it will be 77