Value of: Aaron Dell and Brenden Dillion to the Leafs.

[TheWayToRefJose]

Bracco was over a PPG last season in the AHL. Letunov didn’t even have half a PPG in the AHL last season and is older. Bad comparison. Also they’re different kind of players. Bracco is a playmaking winger that would be in our top 6 right now. Letunov never was seen as anything more than a 4th line C. So again bad comparison.

Bracco is in his d+5 season and hasn’t cracked the NHL for even one game. That should tell you that he’s a top six AHL forward and will pretty much be that barring the unexpected.

Bracco also wouldn’t sniff the top six, unless you’re talking about the cuda.

You're massively overrating him.

 

[OVO16]

Would Toronto be willing to add Hutchinson? We don’t really have much in the pipeline in terms of keepers.

Yeah Sure

 

[Gecklund]

Bracco is in his d+5 season and hasn’t cracked the NHL for even one game. That should tell you that he’s a top six AHL forward and will pretty much be that barring the unexpected.

Bracco also wouldn’t sniff the top six, unless you’re talking about the cuda.

You're massively overrating him.

Bracco has also been on a team that is much deeper than the Sharks. He’s better than every single player on the Cuda, and half the Sharks current forwards.

 

[themelkman]

Bracco has also been on a team that is much deeper than the Sharks. He’s better than every single player on the Cuda, and half the Sharks current forwards.

Disagree. Doubt youve seen enough of him to make that call either. Points dont make a player

 

[MagicalRazor]

I’d do a 2nd+4th+Bracco pretty easily

If you took back cici for cap reasons

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Bracco and Kapanen plus a pick.

Oh, you were serious.

 

[Gecklund]

Disagree. Doubt youve seen enough of him to make that call either. Points dont make a player

I have. I’ve been following him since the draft. I’ve wanted him since then.

If you took back cici for cap reasons

Wouldn’t take back Ceci without a first coming back. He’s trash and don’t want him anywhere near this team.

 

[themelkman]

I have. I’ve been following him since the draft. I’ve wanted him since then.

Wouldn’t take back Ceci without a first coming back. He’s trash and don’t want him anywhere near this team.

Fair enough, I’ve never really been impressed when I’ve seen him, but I’ll trust you are informed on your opinion then

 

[Sysreq]

I have. I’ve been following him since the draft. I’ve wanted him since then.

Wouldn’t take back Ceci without a first coming back. He’s trash and don’t want him anywhere near this team.

This is the only season on his contract. It’s basically 20 games. No one is giving you a 1st for 20 games of 4.5 million in cap relief.

 

[Gecklund]

This is the only season on his contract. It’s basically 20 games. No one is giving you a 1st for 20 games of 4.5 million in cap relief.

Great. We aren’t taking him then.

 

[13pacheco31]

Great. We aren’t taking him then.

You work for the sharks front office?

 

[Gecklund]

Fair enough, I’ve never really been impressed when I’ve seen him, but I’ll trust you are informed on your opinion then

My big thing is that he has been pushed down by the depth of the Leafs. I think that he would make a great Donskoi replacement for us. He has the ability/skill set to play with Couture and Hertl (if/when they come back). I think getting him now would be good, especially in the trade I proposed because the picks almost even out the trade, because he will be able to adjust and either sink or swim and prove that he belongs in the NHL.

You work for the sharks front office?

Do any of us work for a front office?

 

[Flyer lurker]

If its just Dillon and the way the bidding is going you can debate if its 2 and 4 or 1 trade. Defensive rentals are always overpaid and Dillon appears to be the 2020 winner. With dell it has to be a 1 or legit player like Johannson/kapanen etc. The Ceci Bracco and 3 type offers aren't going to get it done.

 

[13pacheco31]

My big thing is that he has been pushed down by the depth of the Leafs. I think that he would make a great Donskoi replacement for us. He has the ability/skill set to play with Couture and Hertl (if/when they come back). I think getting him now would be good, especially in the trade I proposed because the picks almost even out the trade, because he will be able to adjust and either sink or swim and prove that he belongs in the NHL.

Do any of us work for a front office?

No, but I'm not making definitive statements or claims, am I?

 

[Liferleafer]

I have. I’ve been following him since the draft. I’ve wanted him since then.

Wouldn’t take back Ceci without a first coming back. He’s trash and don’t want him anywhere near this team.

You know Ceci is only signed for this year...right? Like he can walk at the end of this season? A 1st? Well alrighty then....

 

[ChazzMichaelMichaels]

Jokes aside, how do most Leafs fans value Bracco. If he were to be traded on his own what would he get back?

To me it'd be another decent intriguing prospect that needs a change of scenery.

 

[themelkman]

To me it'd be another decent intriguing prospect that needs a change of scenery.

Reminds me of Ho-sang,has some upside but teams aren’t really willing to pay for him

 

[seanlinden]

Sharks won’t take Ceci. No value whatsoever to us. Huge negative.

There's a difference between no value, and huge negative.

Yes, Ceci is of absolutely no value to the Sharks. However, to consider him a "huge negative" or somebody that cannot be easily added to a deal that sees Dillon go the other way is ludicrous. The Sharks aren't going to compromise their future return because they have to pay Ceci for the last 2 months of the season.

That being said, I personally don't see the fit for Dillon with the leafs. They've had great difficulty getting guys to switch sides, and with Rielly, Muzzin, Dermott and Sandin all on the left, I think they're pretty happy with that. It doesn't make sense for the Leafs to make a big investment in pure rentals.

I think they're more likely to pursue guys like Muzzin last year, who have a little bit of term left, and dangle the likes of Kapanen, Johnsson to do it.

 

[Gecklund]

There's a difference between no value, and huge negative.

Yes, Ceci is of absolutely no value to the Sharks. However, to consider him a "huge negative" or somebody that cannot be easily added to a deal that sees Dillon go the other way is ludicrous. The Sharks aren't going to compromise their future return because they have to pay Ceci for the last 2 months of the season.

That being said, I personally don't see the fit for Dillon with the leafs. They've had great difficulty getting guys to switch sides, and with Rielly, Muzzin, Dermott and Sandin all on the left, I think they're pretty happy with that. It doesn't make sense for the Leafs to make a big investment in pure rentals.

I think they're more likely to pursue guys like Muzzin last year, who have a little bit of term left, and dangle the likes of Kapanen, Johnsson to do it.

He wouldn’t even break into our D. He would be taking time in the minors from our young guys. If Ceci is coming, I’d rather keep Dillon/Dell than take him.

 

[seanlinden]

He wouldn’t even break into our D. He would be taking time in the minors from our young guys. If Ceci is coming, I’d rather keep Dillon/Dell than take him.

That's fine -- again, if your Doug Wilson, you don't compromise the future of your team and turn down the "right deal" because it means you have to pay Ceci for 20 games.

 

[Groo]

That's fine -- again, if your Doug Wilson, you don't compromise the future of your team and turn down the "right deal" because it means you have to pay Ceci for 20 games.

Hardly sounds like the "right deal" then does it?

 

[Groo]

Hardly sounds like the "right deal" then does it?

At least from the Shark fans prospective.

 

[seanlinden]

Hardly sounds like the "right deal" then does it?

Whether Ceci's included has absolutely no bearing on whether it's the right deal for the Sharks -- he's irrelevant to them.

If we're talking about Dillon and Dell, who presumably the Sharks do not intend on resigning -- the only considerations are whether the Sharks can get a better offer in terms of long term assets elsewhere (either separately or together).

 

[Gecklund]

That's fine -- again, if your Doug Wilson, you don't compromise the future of your team and turn down the "right deal" because it means you have to pay Ceci for 20 games.

Someone else will give us a 2nd, 4th, and a prospect without taking back a shitty player. It’s not like Toronto is giving us some huge overpayment.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I hope the leafs aren't interested in Dillon. He's not the right fit at all for us and anything more then a 2nd is an over pay by us.