99 prior to 91

[squaleca]

GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	PPG	PPP	SHG	SHP	GWG	OTG	S	S%	FO%
1979-1980	EDM	79	51	86	137	14	21	13	35	1	2	6	0	284	17.96	--
1980-1981	EDM	80	55	109	164	41	28	15	53	4	7	3	0	261	21.07	--
1981-1982	EDM	80	92	120	212	80	26	18	57	6	8	12	0	370	24.86	--
1982-1983	EDM	80	71	125	196	61	59	18	54	6	10	9	0	348	20.4	--
1983-1984	EDM	74	87	118	205	78	39	20	47	12	23	11	0	326	26.69	--
1984-1985	EDM	80	73	135	208	100	52	8	44	11	18	7	0	354	20.62	--
1985-1986	EDM	80	52	163	215	71	46	11	54	3	18	6	1	350	14.86	--
1986-1987	EDM	79	62	121	183	69	28	13	46	7	13	4	0	288	21.53	--
1987-1988	EDM	64	40	109	149	39	24	9	49	5	9	3	0	211	18.96	--
1988-1989	LAK	78	54	114	168	15	26	11	53	5	15	5	0	303	17.8	--
1989-1990	LAK	73	40	102	142	8	42	10	40	4	6	4	1	236	16.9	--
1990-1991	LAK	78	41	122	163

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1424 assists, 718 goals 2142 points in 925 games
*87-88 season 64 games 149 points 80 games avg out to 186 points 50 goals which would have put him at 10 staright years of 50 goals 109 assists in 64 games all just leave that stat alone 1.5405 assists per game .7762 goals per game
2.3156 points per game avg 77.08 games per season based on that his avg per season are 178.5 points per season 59.82 goals per season 118 assists per season ERA ADJUST THOSE NUMBERS!!!!!!

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[squaleca]

just for the sake of it lets take away half of his output 712 assists 359 goals 1071 points in 925 games take note no adjustment made there .77025 apg .3881 gpg 1.1578 ppg
89 points per season 29.5 goals 59 assists
so there you have it boys and girls based on my mathematical divide by 2 analysis wayne greetzky avg 1.1578 ppg which is 22 all time behind the great 8 at 1.17 below is the list of players half of gretzky points are ahead of all time

22		Bryan Trottier	1956	F	1279	524	901	1425	912	449	161	19	69	0.410	0.704	1.114
23		Gilbert Perreault	1950	F	1191	512	814	1326	500	41	134	8	81	0.430	0.683	1.113
24		Pavel Bure	1971	F	702	437	342	779	484	42	121	34	59	0.623	0.487	1.110
25		Jaromír Jágr	1972	F	1733	766	1155	1921	1167	322	217	11	135	0.442	0.666	1.108
26		Bobby Hull	1939	F	1063	610	560	1170	634	249	154	19	98	0.574	0.527	1.101
27		Brett Hull	1964	F	1269	741	650	1391	458	23	265	20	110	0.584	0.512	1.096
28		Paul Coffey	1961	D	1409	396	1135	1531	1802	298	135	20	43	0.281	0.806	1.087
29		Jean Beliveau	1931	F	1125	507	712	1219	1033	117	173	0	83	0.451	0.633	1.084
30		Mark Messier	1961	F	1756	694	1193	1887	1912	211	179	63	92	0.395	0.679	1.075
31		Bernie Nicholls	1961	F	1127	475	734	1209	1292	-39	152	28	35	0.421	0.651	1.073
32		Mike Rogers	1954	F	484	202	317	519	184	-51	38	16	12	0.417	0.655	1.072
33		Adam Oates	1962	F	1337	341	1079	1420	415	33	103	12	56	0.255	0.807	1.062
34		Michel Goulet	1960	F	1089	548	605	1153	825	99	179	16	63	0.503	0.556	1.059
35		Bobby Clarke	1949	F	1144	358	852	1210	1453	507	99	32	38	0.313	0.745	1.058
36		Stan Mikita	1940	F	1396	541	926	1467	1264	329	150	12	84	0.388	0.663	1.051
37		Gordie Howe	1928	F	1767	801	1049	1850	1685	160	211	24	121	0.453	0.594	1.047
38		Alexander Mogilny	1969	F	990	473	559	1032	432	81	141	20	66	0.478	0.565	1.042
39		Zigmund Palffy	1972	F	684	329	384	713	322	83	92	19	45	0.481	0.561	1.042
40		Ron Francis	1963	F	1731	549	1249	1798	977	-18	188	12	79	0.317	0.722	1.039
41		Patrick Kane	1988	F	903	356	582	938	338	61	100	0	60	0.394	0.645	1.039
42		Tim Kerr	1960	F	655	370	304	674	596	77	149	0	46	0.565	0.464	1.029
43		Steven Stamkos	1990	F	746	393	373	766	477	30	145	5	55	0.527	0.500	1.027
44		Pierre Turgeon	1969	F	1294	515	812	1327	452	139	190	10	86	0.398	0.628	1.026
45		Darryl Sittler	1950	F	1096	484	637	1121	948	57	150	10	57	0.442	0.581	1.023
46		Rick Martin	1951	F	685	384	317	701	477	14	115	0	47	0.561	0.463	1.023
47		Pierre Larouche	1955	F	812	395	427	822	237	-29	114	1	36	0.486	0.526	1.012
48		Steve Larmer	1961	F	1006	441	571	1012	532	203	162	24	60	0.438	0.568	1.006
49		Teemu Selänne	1970	F	1451	684	773	1457	660	95	255	7	110	0.471	0.533	1.004
50		Theoren Fleury	1968	F	1084	455	633	1088	1840	145	125	35	67	0.420	0.584	1.004

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[squaleca]

no need to ERA adjust any other player in the history of the NHL only #99 thats why hes the 22thgoat

 

[squaleca]

ive also added .0038 points per game to marios ppg total x that by number of games played by Wanye Gretzky and ironically Mario ties Gretzky in Career points. hmm interesting that somehow by mario not having Cancer he beats all of Wayne's Records. Well statistacally Waynes ppg dropped from prime 2.3156 to 1.912 career ending. but will give Mario the benefit of the doubt and say that had he not had cancer he would have turned into Tom Brady increased his totals even further .0038 points per game and played the same # of games and tied all of waynes Records.

sorry i just need to back up my statment with facts as apposed to these ludicrous comments about 66 breaking all of 99's records with opinions based on vivid imaginations as apposed to factual numbers

Now of course the oilers were stacked yea i love all those Messier and Gretzky on the ice at the sametime highlights

Kurri vs Jagr interesting debate?

 

[squaleca]

ok so Ovi thus far is avg 48 goals per season which is hard to belive but its only b/c he had a couple of 30 goals seasons in there but anyways 59 goals vs 48 goals era adjusted id say its pretty close you could go either way id say prime 99 by a wide margin career longevity take Ovi

 

[squaleca]

now theres the cup the oilers won without wayne and if anyone thinks wayne had nothing to do with the oilers winning that cup needs their head examined. if mario didnt have cancer if he played on the oilers if 99 didnt get hit in 91 if he doesnt get traded if he played in the 70's with all that extra room on the ice would he avg 3 points per game i dont know.

now Bobby ill just say 1a and 1b and leave it at that, in discusion of goats that its only bobby and wayne those are the only 2 players in the discussion evryone else is on a lower plateau
99 is the greatest offensive player 4 is the greatest defensive player.

 

[LT]

I'm not sure I understand a single thing you've done here.

 

[HFBS]

I'm not sure I understand a single thing you've done here.

You passed the test. Next.

 

[squaleca]

i divided waynes carrer totals in half its not rocket science

 

[Oddbob]

You are trying to prove that both Lemieux and Ovechkin are better than Gretzky by halving only Gretzky's points? Lemieux and Gretzky played in the same era, so why does his points get halved but not Lemieux? Gretzky had over a 1000 points even with halving his numbers and is still 22nd all time, on top of the fact that you didn't halve anyone else's points from that era, which is ridiculous anyhow, and only shows just how truly dominant he was. If this is to say Wayne is not the best, a MASSIVE and SPECTACULAR FAIL!

On top of that you just gave Lemieux extra ppg out of thin air. Also, if you are trying to say Gretzky would have had only half as many points in this era, that is equally ridiculous.

 

[Stephen]

This is such a nonsensical exercise with random statistics.

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	PPG	PPP	SHG	SHP	GWG	OTG	S	S%	FO%
1979-1980	EDM	79	51	86	137	14	21	13	35	1	2	6	0	284	17.96	--
1980-1981	EDM	80	55	109	164	41	28	15	53	4	7	3	0	261	21.07	--

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How can he have more assists than points?

 

[morehockeystats]

How can he have more assists than points?

The headers are off by two columns.

 

[Mickey Marner]

How can he have more assists than points?

He also shot 0% that season, yet managed to score "EDM" goals, which I reckon is more than 0.

 

[GlitchMarner]

What's the point of dividing his totals in half? If the point is to adjust for era, what makes that an appropriate reduction and why isn't that done for any other players?

 

[MadLuke]

no need to ERA adjust any other player in the history of the NHL only #99 thats why hes the 22thgoat

Does that make Joe Malone and is comfortably over a goal by game the greatest goalscorer ever ?

Joe Malone Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Does that make Joe Malone and is comfortably over a goal by game the greatest goalscorer ever ?

Joe Malone Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

No, see, you'd have to divide Malone's stats by the square root of pi and then multiply it by 5 and then divide it by 10 to adjust for his era.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

i divided waynes carrer totals in half its not rocket science

But you didn't. Like, at all.

now theres the cup the oilers won without wayne and if anyone thinks wayne had nothing to do with the oilers winning that cup needs their head examined. if mario didnt have cancer if he played on the oilers if 99 didnt get hit in 91 if he doesnt get traded if he played in the 70's with all that extra room on the ice would he avg 3 points per game i dont know.

now Bobby ill just say 1a and 1b and leave it at that, in discusion of goats that its only bobby and wayne those are the only 2 players in the discussion evryone else is on a lower plateau
99 is the greatest offensive player 4 is the greatest defensive player.

And wait... you put out nonsensical mathematical analysis to prove that other guys were as good or better than Gretzky... and then you say Gretzky's the greatest?

 

[squaleca]

im trying to prove that adjusting Gretzky stats still prove that hes superior to 66 at least in his prime anyways

 

[squaleca]

yea i made stupid analys buy showing that half of wayne gretzky is greater than most the greats like i said it must be rocket science

 

[squaleca]

i gave mario more ppg avg to show that the stupid comments about him beating waynes records are well stupid

 

[squaleca]

theres also the fact that most mario supporters were still in diapers when wayne was in his prime

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Careful where you head with this.

 

[SeanConn]

Mario could have beat Gretzky's single season records... most likely the 92 goals mark, doubtful he ever would have hit 164 assists though, and 216 points is a big stretch. (he didn't).

However, I don't think he ever had any chance to beat Gretzky's career records, he just had way too many health problems... Gretzky played a style of game that allowed him to avoid injuries, and had he truly wanted, he could have played well into the 2000's and put up another 500+ points as a "collector", but I don't think anything would have been more fitting than #99 retiring in 1999, being inducted into the HHOF in 1999 too...

 

[bobholly39]

Mario Lemieux could have beaten 2 of Gretzky's greatest single season records - 92 goals, and 215 points.

How/when?

Well - in 1989 Lemieux hit a level that rivaled Gretzky's best. He had an insane season in 93, fantastic smythe performances in 91 and 92...and in 1995-1996 again played a full mostly healthy (pacing himself) season. The problem is - after 1989 and until 1996 - Lemieux was damaged goods. He had a litany of health concerns and injuries (back spasms) that hindered him playing at 100% effect, and certainly not 100% of the time. Tons of games and seasons missed, and i'd guess many of the games he did play he wasn't at 100%. And those are the years where "peak Lemieux", or Lemieux at his best, should have been.

Simply put - we didn't get a chance to see Peak, Healthy Lemieux do 2, 3 or 4 full healthy seasons to see what he could do, only 1989. Gretzky had about 7 of those. Easier to score a goal on 7 shots, than to score on one shot.

It doesn't mean Lemieux would for sure beat Gretzky's records of course - it just means that he probably could have made a run for both of them - flip a coin if it happens or not. In 1993 in particular he was pacing above both those marks.