GDT: #9 - 10/30/16 | lightning @ RANGERS | 7:00 - MSG, NHLN

[Ori]

 

[Ghost of jas]

Zipay was on with Todd Lewis of Sirius/XM NHL Radio and even he questioned the use of Holden. He also doesn't think the defense will be the same after the trade deadline.

 

[Revel]

This full practice thing is BS. If Kreider feels good and looks fine out there, then insert him into the line-up. He's a freakin' pro and arguably our most dominant forward. Holding him out of the line-up because of some "full practice" technicality is BS.

 

[Doctor King Schultz]

This full practice thing is BS. If Kreider feels good and looks fine out there, then insert him into the line-up. He's a freakin' pro and arguably our most dominant forward. Holding him out of the line-up because of some "full practice" technicality is BS.

It's like they aren't overly concerned with the 2 points at stake.

 

[Revel]

It's like they aren't overly concerned with the 2 points at stake.

Seriously.

AV will be the first one to whine about how difficult it is to make the playoffs because of league parity. He's always mentioning it.

These 2 points NOW could be the difference, and he knows it. Kreider being in the line-up gives us the best opportunity to get those 2 points. AV says he looks fine out there...so insert him. Get Kreids-Mika-Buch rolling again.

 

[BBKers]

We should always ice the best team (exempt goalkeeping which have rotations but Rantaa vs Carolina and Hank tonight seems more logical - no?). And I really want Kreider to play too. But the team is privy to a lot of info we have no idea about. To think that the coach does not play him due to any other reason than he is not ready is taking things too far, and I am one of the bigger AV detractors around. Give this one a rest guys. There is a logical explanation. Otoh the Holden love fest and the Clendening thing is confounding. But like Zipay said, changes will be coming on the back line. Be so certain.

 

[Revel]

We should always ice the best team (exempt goalkeeping which have rotations but Rantaa vs Carolina and Hank tonight seems more logical - no?). And I really want Kreider to play too. But the team is privy to a lot of info we have no idea about. To think that the coach does not play him due to any other reason than he is not ready is taking things too far, and I am one of the bigger AV detractors around. Give this one a rest guys. There is a logical explanation. Otoh the Holden love fest and the Clendening thing is confounding. But like Zipay said, changes will be coming on the back line. Be so certain.

AV makes questionable decisions all the time, and we have every right to complain about it. Why should we question one thing (i.e. playing Holden)...and not question another (i.e. not inserting Kreider)????

AV evidently has a rule about full practices before re-joining the line-up. It's no mystery. It has nothing to do with inside info relating to his injury. It's nothing more than a pet peeve of AV's and deserves to be questioned...especially when Kreider is likely healthy and we are playing one of the favorites in the Eastern Conference.

 

[OrbitalDynamics]

Hope Tampa doesn't clog the neutral zone and take away the stretch pass...again.

Will Mr."Big Changes" Vigneault adapt?

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Survey says no fam

 

[OrbitalDynamics]

Zipay was on with Todd Lewis of Sirius/XM NHL Radio and even he questioned the use of Holden. He also doesn't think the defense will be the same after the trade deadline.

The trade deadline is literally months away.This team could potentially be DOA at the deadline.

You know what that means? First rounder(s) + for the desiccated corpse of a star on the back nine of their career.

 

[Ghost of jas]

The trade deadline is literally months away.This team could potentially be DOA at the deadline.

You know what that means? First rounder(s) + for the desiccated corpse of a star on the back nine of their career.

I expect that Grots is going to be more proactive than what Zippy suggests. And, it's Zippy.

 

[Raspewtin]

I guess AV likes defenseman that can take the body, physically tie up opposing forwards, and push people off the puck. He doesn't like lightweights, regardless of whether or not they can move the puck. We saw his mistrust in Yandle, and now we're seeing it with Clendo. They shy away from hits and don't fare well on the boards. Not strong enough for AV.

There are outlier examples that contradict what I just said...like Dan Boyle...and most recently McI...but our current line-up consists of 6 guys that can play physically. Skjei is probably the weakest, but his skating makes up for it, and he is still much stronger than Clendo.

Yeah I could really tell with how McI was used.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yeah I could really tell with how McI was used.

This is what bothers me. It seems like AV literally just picks names out of hats for whom he likes and whom he hates.

 

[BBKers]

AV makes questionable decisions all the time, and we have every right to complain about it. Why should we question one thing (i.e. playing Holden)...and not question another (i.e. not inserting Kreider)????

AV evidently has a rule about full practices before re-joining the line-up. It's no mystery. It has nothing to do with inside info relating to his injury. It's nothing more than a pet peeve of AV's and deserves to be questioned...especially when Kreider is likely healthy and we are playing one of the favorites in the Eastern Conference.

If Kreider was ready he would play. AV makes tons of questionable calls though

 

[Revel]

If Kreider was ready he would play. AV makes tons of questionable calls though

He's ready. Instead of arguing with me, just listen to today's presser. He said Kreider looks fine and was flying out there today, but will not be playing solely due to the fact that he hasn't had a full practice with the team.

Presser:

 

[Guffawstev]

Need more Zuccess

 

[SnowblindNYR]

He's ready. Instead of arguing with me, just listen to today's presser. He said Kreider looks fine and was flying out there today, but will not be playing solely due to the fact that he hasn't had a full practice with the team.

Presser:

Why does no one ask him about Holden? Not that Klein has been particularly good.

 

[Revel]

I guess AV likes defenseman that can take the body, physically tie up opposing forwards, and push people off the puck. He doesn't like lightweights, regardless of whether or not they can move the puck. We saw his mistrust in Yandle, and now we're seeing it with Clendo. They shy away from hits and don't fare well on the boards. Not strong enough for AV.

There are outlier examples that contradict what I just said...like Dan Boyle...and most recently McI...but our current line-up consists of 6 guys that can play physically. Skjei is probably the weakest, but his skating makes up for it, and he is still much stronger than Clendo.

Yeah I could really tell with how McI was used.

You'll see that I did mention they were exceptions and I pointed out that McI was one of them. With McI, though, there were issues with bonehead penalties. Some also say that his one v one D and lateral movement were poor. I don't think he was as poor as some say during his one game this season, so I do sympathize with your position. I think the aggressive penalties did him in. AV just doesn't trust him.

 

[Hockeyplayer99]

Its not like he doesn't like players like Clendening he just likes players who are terrible like Girardi and Holden. Mcirath is a tough guy but he didn't play. Holden, Girardi are not your tough guys who throw hits or tie people along the board. They are both just terrible hockey players. That is what AV likes.

I guess AV likes defenseman that can take the body, physically tie up opposing forwards, and push people off the puck. He doesn't like lightweights, regardless of whether or not they can move the puck. We saw his mistrust in Yandle, and now we're seeing it with Clendo. They shy away from hits and don't fare well on the boards. Not strong enough for AV.

There are outlier examples that contradict what I just said...like Dan Boyle...and most recently McI...but our current line-up consists of 6 guys that can play physically. Skjei is probably the weakest, but his skating makes up for it, and he is still much stronger than Clendo.

 

[Revel]

Its not like he doesn't like players like Clendening he just likes players who are terrible like Girardi and Holden. Mcirath is a tough guy but he didn't play. Holden, Girardi are not your tough guys who throw hits or tie people along the board. They are both just terrible hockey players. That is what AV likes.

I'm not saying that G or Holden are great hockey players, but if you think G and Holden don't hit people or fight for the puck along the boards, you're obviously not watching the games. In particular, G has always thrown the body. I do think he's washed up...but to say that he doesn't play a physical brand of hockey is ignorant of the facts. Girardi & Holden are both Top 6 on the team in hits.

Don't misconstrue this post as a claim that G and Holden are great hockey players. They're not. I'm simply stating facts.

 

[Raspewtin]

You'll see that I did mention they were exceptions and I pointed out that McI was one of them. With McI, though, there were issues with bonehead penalties. Some also say that his one v one D and lateral movement were poor. I don't think he was as poor as some say during his one game this season, so I do sympathize with your position. I think the aggressive penalties did him in. AV just doesn't trust him.

Frankly I was just ball busting, lol

 

[Revel]

Frankly I was just ball busting, lol

I should have caught on. Tough to tell with text sometimes.

 

[Ori]

I really enjoy Tampa vs Rangers games in the past - I hope it will be a blast this evening 6pm - so excited!

 

[aufheben]

I really enjoy Tampa vs Rangers games in the past - I hope it will be a blast this evening 6pm - so excited!

Agreed! I have such fond memories of the Lightning.

 

[Ail]

Zipay was on with Todd Lewis of Sirius/XM NHL Radio and even he questioned the use of Holden. He also doesn't think the defense will be the same after the trade deadline.

Unfortunately there are a lot of games between now and then.