OT: 78th Obsequious Banter Thread: Parlez-vous Français?

[Hollywood Cannon]

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[Hollywood Cannon]

The wife started watching The Undoing.

I don't like this Budget Dusty from Stranger Things.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

@Chinatown88

Lot Detail - 1999 Pokemon Base 1st Edition #4 Charizard, Holographic, MBA Black Diamond Certified – SGC GOLD LABEL PRISTINE 10 "1 of 1!"

 

[Chinatown88]

@Chinatown88

Lot Detail - 1999 Pokemon Base 1st Edition #4 Charizard, Holographic, MBA Black Diamond Certified – SGC GOLD LABEL PRISTINE 10 "1 of 1!"

Well damn. Maybe we should hit up our BFF Elon.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The whole card market looks to be a major major bubble right now it's absurd. Cards have doubled, tripled, etc in the last year. People like to say that it's people "diversifying" their portfolio but I think that's a load of shit. I also don't believe a lot of eBay auctions final auction price. I feel like a good portion of them are fraudulent shill bidders.

I know very little about the card market myself and @JojoTheWhale can probably shove me in a locker and tell me i'm completely wrong. That's just where my head is at.

I don’t know non-sports very well, but sports cards are absolutely rampant with shill bidders, insider dealing, and card doctoring. I can’t imagine Pokémon is any different. They go wherever the money is.

This isn’t just an eBay thing either. The single most famous baseball card in the world (Gretzky-McNall T206 Wagner) has openly been known as altered since the 70s. Here’s one of the most famous auctioneers in various ends of the sports markets:

Former Owner Of Mastro Auctions Sentenced To 20 Months In Federal Prison In Shill-Bidding Scam

In the interest of disclosure, I was one of many people shilled and I did submit a statement to the court in this case.

The current bubble is absolutely Vegas degens, lunatics from /r/WallStreetBets, and the like. They just walked into an infrastructure that was already set up to rob them blind.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

@Chinatown88 I forgot I still had this. For an idea of the scope of these scumbags:

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

While not cards, i'm nearly 100% certain that NFL Auctions partakes in shill bidding themselves. Sometime last year they were called out by multiple people for the same generic account bidding on countless items and yet never actually winning any.

The solution that NFL Auctions came to almost immediately? They removed the ability to see the username of people bidding.

Totally 100% legit.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

While not cards, i'm nearly 100% certain that NFL Auctions partakes in shill bidding themselves. Sometime last year they were called out by multiple people for the same generic account bidding on countless items and yet never actually winning any.

The solution that NFL Auctions came to almost immediately? They removed the ability to see the username of people bidding.

Totally 100% legit.

They learned this solution from eBay. Shilling is part of the business model.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[DancingPanther]

You can thank sodapoppin and cr1tikal for this by the way

 

[Lord Defect]

I have to find this old eagles card I have and let you guys determine if it’s real and it’s value

 

[Lord Defect]

I didn’t realize it was from 2000 lol.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

PWCC. Of course. Brent’s not having the best time these days.

PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney - Net54baseball.com Forums

The card forums are full of threads detailing his antics.

 

[ajgoal]

I wonder how much my Star Wars: Return of the Jedi cards are worth.

 

[Lord Defect]

I wonder how much my Star Wars: Return of the Jedi cards are worth.

I wonder how much my Batman returns cards are worth

 

[ajgoal]

I wonder how much my Batman returns cards are worth

Depends, have they been sitting in a lunchbox in the attic for 30 years?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

The wife started watching The Undoing.

I don't like this Budget Dusty from Stranger Things.

I'll talk to you about it when you finish.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I didn’t realize it was from 2000 lol.
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Um. How did you get that? Backdoored by a friend at Fleer? That auto was a redemption and the card itself is a notoriously difficult acquisition. By far the most difficult in the set and a major Short Print.

I’m not joking for the record. That wouldn’t be cool. I have no idea on value, but I can try to dig into it. Sometimes very rare is valuable, sometimes it’s not.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I'll talk to you about it when you finish.

We watched it. I liked the first half; the back half left something to be desired.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

We watched it. I liked the first half; the back half left something to be desired.

I'll say more when he finishes.

 

[Lord Defect]

Um. How did you get that? Backdoored by a friend at Fleer? That auto was a redemption and the card itself is a notoriously difficult acquisition. By far the most difficult in the set and a major Short Print.

I’m not joking for the record. That wouldn’t be cool. I have no idea on value, but I can try to dig into it. Sometimes very rare is valuable, sometimes it’s not.

My sisters ex fiancée left it and a bunch of stuff at our house

 

[JojoTheWhale]

My sisters ex fiancée left it and a bunch of stuff at our house

Do you have an eBay account?

I literally cannot find an example of this card selling in the last 8 years. His auto from the same product in 2004 recently sold for $275 and I believe that one to be significantly more rare. Again, more rare does not necessarily mean it’s worth as much or more. But it could be if you get the right bidders. Or it could sell for way less. Your market for these oddities is usually small, but their pockets are deep.

 

[Lord Defect]

Do you have an eBay account?

I literally cannot find an example of this card selling in the last 8 years. His auto from the same product in 2004 recently sold for $275 and I believe that one to be significantly more rare. Again, more rare does not necessarily mean it’s worth as much or more. But it could be if you get the right bidders. Or it could sell for way less. Your market for these oddities is usually small, but their pockets are deep.

Are these not it?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Are these not it?
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They are not and there’s no way you would know it without knowing cards, but the people buying these things will.

Those are non-autographed cards that someone either had him sign or forged. They’re worthless. See how your card has a different back than theirs? That’s Fleer certifying that they had Van Buren sign it and they put it in a pack that way.

What makes this card particularly rare is that he didn’t return the signed versions in time to include them in packs, so they inserted redemption cards. Now you can redeem them online, but in 2000, you had to physically mail the redemption card to Fleer, then hope the card eventually came back and they would mail it to you. Most people never do that.

 

[Chinatown88]

You can thank sodapoppin and cr1tikal for this by the way

Poki got a Crystal Lugia in an Aquapolis box she opened tonight.