Boo Boo
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Honestly our selanne kariya neidermayer gm search swat team may have really failed us by recommending verbeek
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Yeah, not true. Multiple people were saying things about Cronin and his decision making but whatever. That's not what cost us the game.
Anyway, Angels game is actually entertaining
The Midnight Burrito
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I wouldn't fire him after this season if nothing else because it's just MORE chaos, we have to make this work somehow. But he's not having a good year. He needs to get way better. And I hope he doesn't f*** things up in the mean time.
dracom
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crazy how last season we ended the season a 13 game losing streak, yet that was FAR more entertaining than how the end of this season has gone.
I hadnt thought about that but you’ll be right if he doesn’t ultimately work out. I actually really like a few of Pats draft picks and trades, but this Cronin hire right now is a real blemish for him.
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EEK!
My respect for Eakins has gone up tenfold after watching this disaster this year
Boo Boo
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I agree - he’s done some things that are actually interesting in a really good way but I’m worried we might end up leaning too far into some of his worse moves
Deuce22
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The opposite for me. Eakins was actually worse than Cronin.
I don't think you can fire him after 1 season, especially with the spot the team is in. Like you said, chaos.
They have to at least replace Brown, have a good draft, make some UFA acquisitions and then let the coaching staff address issues with the current system. If things like man-to-man are an issue, the offseason is the time to address them.
Yeah. We have another season of Cronin, maybe new assistants, better roster, can get them going, but I really don’t have a lot of confidence unless he really changes things with his system and how he approaches games.
Just one observation, you are down by a goal or two, should be shortening your bench and not benching one of your better offensive players. He demoted Strome, good work there, only for him to be promoted, and Z was benched for Ross F’ing Johnston in the end.
We are actually scoring less goals this year under Cronin than last year under Eakins, and we have more skill and talent on this roster this year…..that is not good.
duxfan1101
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I’ve never hoped an injury to be true until this moment. This would make a lot more sense than him getting benched again.
Eakins... Cronin... they are means to an end, not the solution. It's why I didn't care if Eakins Stayed or got canned. The problem isn't the coach and until the roster is fixed the coach isn't going to matter much. Guys are learning different things from the different approaches, but these aren't the coaches that are taking them far.
I wouldn't call them stretches. A smattering of half decent shifts.
Hockey Duckie
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I like Cronin's ES defense (only because he improved it from last year's defense). Natural Stat Trick has the team ranked 23rd overall at ES Goal Against.
GM Verbeek needs a new PP and PK coach. PP Brown is wildly inconsistent, dependent on individual effort and luck. PK coach Thompson has gradually deteriorated all along the way.
| Ducks | 2023-24 | Special | Teams | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Game Set | Games | PPG | PPO | PP Eff | . | PK GA | TSH | PK Eff |
| Total | 77 | 40 | 225 | 17.8% | 85 | 313 | 72.8% | |
| 1 to 25 | 25 | 18 | 81 | 22.2% | 22 | 110 | 80.0% | |
| 26 to 49 | 24 | 10 | 71 | 14.1% | 22 | 91 | 75.8% | |
| 50 to 62 | 13 | 8 | 35 | 22.9% | 16 | 47 | 66.0% | |
| 63 to 77 | 15 | 4 | 38 | 10.5% | 25 | 65 | 61.5% |
Things Cronin can work on himself:
1. ES offense flexibility. Probably change the philosophy based upon the talent per line.
2. Discipline. This could be more about causing his players to be more fatigued.
3. Stop overworking the players during the season!
4. Become a better motivator.
But if GM Verbeek continues to say that Cronin's done a great job at the end of the season, then expect the same shit next season.
I'd give Thompson another season, but I'd also be asking Cronin what and who he wants. Brown has to go. Talent has to be improved.
Discipline has been going on for a few seasons... well maybe a few decades. I liked the idea of bringing in a retired ref or something but that's only part of the problem, some of the penalties are just dumb. Absolutely have to address that.
I don't mind his motivation techniques from what we can see, many disagree, but all of us could be wrong. You really have to be in the room and know the guys to know what's right or wrong.
I think a Captain at this point could go a long way
That's not really the issue though. The issue is having a guy behind the bench that can coach good habits and fundamentals so the young guys have an example to base the foundation of their game on. They don't have a Getzlaf in the room to look up to, so really it falls on the coach to dictate how the young guys are developing.
This team struggles with the most basic fundamentals and are unable to win battles for the majority of games. They played well enough to match Seattle's level of play (different from execution) for about 12-13 minutes even if the team was clearly executing at a lower level. When that is happening, that's fine. It's a weaker roster and it's expected. The problem is the team completely fell apart in terms of compete, battling, and execution after the first goal and played like they'd be in the middle of the AHL standings.
Does that come from a group of jaded guys who haven't had it in them to play for pride? Yes. Partially. Does that come from a lack of leadership among the players? Yes. Partially. Does that come from a work in progress rebuilding roster replete with inexperience? Yes. Partially. But I also think it partially comes from a coach that isn't helping this team in their game preparation time. The team reacts poorly to defensive/forechecking/ 50/50 puck challenges because they're not properly trained on how to deal with them. There's no other reason to explain how often this team looks like they have no idea what to do with the puck on their stick.
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I can agree with parts of that. I'm not trying to let the coaches off the hook, and I know it can come off like that but it's been going on for years. Getzlaf helped tremendously but the problems still existed then. They need player leadership, they need better talent and then they need the right motivation/leadership from the top.
just a lot of work still to be done.
No disagreement on that, I just don't think Cronin is up to the task of fostering the youth to meet their potential. Missing the playoffs be damned. There's worse outcomes than that.
He might not be. I'm not convinced either way. He could be fired after the season and my only gripe would be the instability. But if the next option or plan is McIlvane, the question becomes how close is he to what they deem to be ready. GMs only, or should only, get so many HC hires. Rushing that could be the difference in jobs kept vs loss and also the difference between a team succeeding or failing.
Hockey Duckie
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I say no to Thompson.
Here's why...
| Ducks | 2022-23 | Special | Teams | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Game Set | Games | PPG | PPO | PP Eff | . | PK GA | TSH | PK Eff |
| Total | 82 | 36 | 229 | 15.7% | 78 | 280 | 72.1% | |
| 1 to 25 | 25 | 12 | 72 | 16.7% | 31 | 89 | 65.2% | |
| 26 to 49 | 24 | 11 | 69 | 15.9% | 17 | 81 | 79.0% | |
| 50 to 61 | 12 | 5 | 36 | 13.9% | 10 | 44 | 77.3% | |
| 62 to 82 | 21 | 8 | 52 | 15.4% | 20 | 66 | 69.7% |
PK coach Stothers didn't possess better defensemen last year, but he was able to coach the d-men up along with improving PK forwards. Look at the progression throughout the season. Then at after the TDL, it drops. Yet the drop is still significantly better than Thompson's production after the TDL and the game set just before the TDL!
As for Team Discipline, I think you're not using scope like you did for Thompson.
TSH
Last year: 280 (5th worst in league, 82 games)
This year: 313 (worst in league by over 30 opportunities, in 77 games played)
We've added 33 TSH opportunities with five more games to go. Remember that whole "accountability" factor that Cronin was supposed to bring. Why is it worse under a more accountable coach? Someone mentioned that the team is fatigued and fatigue often induces penalties. If that's the case, then why is Cronin overworking our team b/c we do look lethargic on many a nights. If it's not fatigue, then where is this "accountability" factor? Is it just some PR schtick? This is part of the reason why I don't believe in Cronin. I'm hoping he can change, but feels like an old dinosaur who won't evolve.
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Went to the Angel game tonight, fortunately this team saved me time on the rewatch by damn near putting me to sleep for two periods. 7 shots on net in 45+ minutes of hockey is baaaad
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