Post-Game Talk: #76 | Flyers at Penguins | April 2, 2023

[Kelmitchell2]

Let's say they get lucky and get Bedard or Fantilli, how are you setting the top 9?

Depends on the trades/fa in the offseason tbh, way too early to tell

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Wrestlemania has been entertaining, thanks for asking

no spoils

 

[Kelmitchell2]

no spoils

I'll be nice lol

 

[Magua]

Don’t do this to yourself, Mag.

 

[freakydallas13]

Would? Frost can't play ahead of Cates as is, so surely you're right. He has a coach who does not hide his partiality.

Should? I'm a Couturier stan, but what he'll provide isn't a definite. He might not be Couturier of 3 years ago. Even if he is, I'd like to see them within 1-1.5 minutes of each other at 5v5, with the talent balanced. Most top teams have their top lines in that window. Couturier is not a McDavid/MacKinnon level horse anyway. If Frost is 2C in min/game at 5v5, I'd consider that an unlikely win even.

Just as important to me is special teams. There's really no excuse for Frost not getting PP1 time in an actual spot to succeed (and experimenting with 2nd/3rd unit PKing). But this team doesn't know its ass from its elbow when it comes to the PP. PP1 will probably be DeAngelo, Tippett, Couturier, Cates, Konecny.

lol, you think this team won't go back to 2 dmen on the pp

 

[snoop88]

Acknowledge him!

 

[deadhead]

Funny, because Frost gets more 5x5 minutes than Cates. But why let facts get in the way of a good rant.
They're not getting lucky in the draft b/c there are two top picks, they only get lucky when #2 is a booby prize.

TK - Couts - Atkinson
Farabee - Frost - Tippett
??? - Cates - Foerster
Deslauriers - Desnoyers - Allison

Hayes, Laughton moved. JVR, Lemieux, Bellows FA

Got to feel bad for Ersson, that first goal is as fluky as they come.
Then he hung in there and gave them a chance.
But DeSmith made some great saves.

 

[smokey]

Funny, because Frost gets more 5x5 minutes than Cates. But why let facts get in the way of a good rant.

So Frost actually has slightly less 5-on-5 minutes than Cates over the season. Ofc I think it's a good thing If they're trending in opposite directions of late, and Frost really is getting more ice-time at 5-on-5. He's also their best C on offence atm, so would be really cooky if Cates still got more minutes.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Let's say they get lucky and get Bedard or Fantilli, how are you setting the top 9?

1) After Patrick fiasco I won't be upset if they call up players one year later. Lets see how camp goes.

2) Who is going to be here? So lets give benefit of the doubt and Couts ready to go day 1 and he is 1c Cam who knows?. Hayes you think is history. Provorov needs a new start DESPERATELY. I would think a lw is coming back to flyers in one of the trades.

3)In theory it should be Couts 1c Bedard and Frost 2 and 3c depending upon progression and Cates to lw. But does anyone really think Torts will move Cates to lw? Torts's 2 inch stiffie might prevail.

 

[VladDrag]

Funny, because Frost gets more 5x5 minutes than Cates. But why let facts get in the way of a good rant.

It’s been explained to you previously ad nauseam.

You’re either dumb, which I don’t think you are, or you’re purposefully misrepresenting the issue, which I think you are doing.

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

Hayes and JVR just utter no shows.

Wait, they both played? Didn't even realize.

 

[deadhead]

It’s been explained to you previously ad nauseam.

You’re either dumb, which I don’t think you are, or you’re purposefully misrepresenting the issue, which I think you are doing.

The last 50 games (starting Dec 7 when JVR returned to the lineup), Cates moved to center and the lines were generally set. When Hayes moved back to center, Laughton moved to LW.

Frost played 14:01 at 5x5, Cates 13:37 over that period. Cates played 17:37 to Frost 17:05 in all situations.

Before that, Cates played a lot of LW and Hayes and Laughton were at center. So you can't compare times for the entire season if you want to focus on time at center.

They're used differently, Cates is matched against opponents' top lines, whereas they try to find easier matchups for the Frost line so they can focus on offense. Of course, on the road, that's difficult to maintain.

Both players benefited from having "set lines," Frost has scored at a 2.53 pp/60 over that stretch, and Cates at 1.77 pp/60).

One thing that jumps out, scoring really took off league-wide since December, so while both players improved offensively, so did the rest of the league.
McDavid 5.01 pp/60
Draisaitl 4.38
Kucherov 4.13
MacKinnon 4.10
RNH 4.03
Pastrnak 3.99
Tkachuk 3.92
Pettersson 3.85
Point 3.82
Thompson 3.76

TK 2.93 (34g) - 48th
Frost 2.53 - 88th
Tippett 2.12 - 150th
Laughton 2.11 - 152nd
Hayes 1.88 - 191st
Cates 1.77 - 205th
JVR 1.75 - 210th
Farabee 1.53 - 238th
Allison 1.16 - 283rd

 

[BernieParent]

TK - Couts - Atkinson
Farabee - Frost - Tippett
??? - Cates - Foerster
Deslauriers - Desnoyers - Allison

Hayes, Laughton moved. JVR, Lemieux, Bellows FA

In the absence of a winning lottery ball, about the best this team could ice would be this with Laughton as 3C and Cates in the ???, as I really don't see Laughton moved. Sending out Hayes with retention for a modest return is a win.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The last 50 games (starting Dec 7 when JVR returned to the lineup), Cates moved to center and the lines were generally set. When Hayes moved back to center, Laughton moved to LW.

Frost played 14:01 at 5x5, Cates 13:37 over that period. Cates played 17:37 to Frost 17:05 in all situations.

Before that, Cates played a lot of LW and Hayes and Laughton were at center. So you can't compare times for the entire season if you want to focus on time at center.

They're used differently, Cates is matched against opponents' top lines, whereas they try to find easier matchups for the Frost line so they can focus on offense. Of course, on the road, that's difficult to maintain.

Both players benefited from having "set lines," Frost has scored at a 2.54 pp/60 over that stretch, and Cates at 1.77 pp/60).

One thing that jumps out, scoring really took off league-wide since December, so while both players improved offensively, so did the rest of the league.
McDavid 5.01 pp/60
Draisaitl 4.38
Kucherov 4.13
MacKinnon 4.10
RNH 4.03
Pastrnak 3.99
Tkachuk 3.92
Pettersson 3.85
Point 3.82
Thompson 3.76

TK 2.93 (34g) - 48th
Frost 2.53 - 88th
Tippett 2.12 - 150th
Laughton 2.11 - 152nd
Hayes 1.88 - 191st
Cates 1.77 - 205th
JVR 1.75 - 210th
Farabee 1.53 - 238th
Allison 1.16 - 283rd

The lines have never been set in any general way. Kicking off your story with falsehood shreds credibility from the start.

 

[VladDrag]

The last 50 games (starting Dec 7 when JVR returned to the lineup), Cates moved to center and the lines were generally set. When Hayes moved back to center, Laughton moved to LW.

Frost played 14:01 at 5x5, Cates 13:37 over that period. Cates played 17:37 to Frost 17:05 in all situations.

Before that, Cates played a lot of LW and Hayes and Laughton were at center. So you can't compare times for the entire season if you want to focus on time at center.

They're used differently, Cates is matched against opponents' top lines, whereas they try to find easier matchups for the Frost line so they can focus on offense. Of course, on the road, that's difficult to maintain.

Both players benefited from having "set lines," Frost has scored at a 2.54 pp/60 over that stretch, and Cates at 1.77 pp/60).

One thing that jumps out, scoring really took off league-wide since December, so while both players improved offensively, so did the rest of the league.
McDavid 5.01 pp/60
Draisaitl 4.38
Kucherov 4.13
MacKinnon 4.10
RNH 4.03
Pastrnak 3.99
Tkachuk 3.92
Pettersson 3.85
Point 3.82
Thompson 3.76

TK 2.93 (34g) - 48th
Frost 2.53 - 88th
Tippett 2.12 - 150th
Laughton 2.11 - 152nd
Hayes 1.88 - 191st
Cates 1.77 - 205th
JVR 1.75 - 210th
Farabee 1.53 - 238th
Allison 1.16 - 283rd

Cool story, Bro.

 

[kudymen]

The “My December 7th theory says” stories remind me of jtown and his “but couturier only had 10 points in 40 games”
Nothing productive but very funny

 

[Curufinwe]

Funny, because Frost gets more 5x5 minutes than Cates. But why let facts get in the way of a good rant.

As usual, your facts are incorrect.

Cates has 1005:33 5on5 ice time in 76 games - 13:14 per game. Cates has 24 points at 5on5.

Frost has 983:49 in 75 games - 13:07 per game. Frost has 32 points at 5on5 - joint most with Farabee, one more than Hayes.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

www.naturalstattrick.com

Cates 5 most common 5on5 wingers
Konency 371:25 <---- The Flyers best offensive player by far
Farabee 353:49
Laughton 231:18
Tippett 183:36
Allison 164:57

Frost's 5 most common 5on5 wingers
Tippet 508:36
JVR 388:46
Farabee 268:42
Allison 95:19
Konency 93:19 <---- The Flyers best offensive player by far

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

As usual, your facts are incorrect.

Cates has 1005:33 5on5 ice time in 76 games - 13:14 per game. Cates has 24 points at 5on5.

Frost has 983:49 in 75 games - 13:07 per game. Frost has 32 points at 5on5 - joint most with Farabee, one more than Hayes.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

www.naturalstattrick.com

Cates 5 most common 5on5 wingers
Konency 371:25 <---- The Flyers best offensive player by far
Farabee 353:49
Laughton 231:18
Tippett 183:36
Allison 164:57

Frost's 5 most common 5on5 wingers
Tippet 508:36
JVR 388:46
Farabee 268:42
Allison 95:19
Konency 93:19 <---- The Flyers best offensive player by far

...Mic drop...

 

[Hextallent63]

There’s no way Frost would/should play ahead of Couturier.

i totally agree, but i would not be suprised if couts get less points next season then frost did/will this year

 

[Hextallent63]

wait a damned minute? another native American killed the last Mohican?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Couturier was playing essentially 20 minutes a night last time he actually played hockey. I’d imagine that’s gonna be decreased dramatically at the very least to start out next year given everything.

 

[Magua]

wait a damned minute? another native American killed the last Mohican?

Magua was a Huron. The guy wielding the gun stock club was the last Mohican. Because Magua killed his son. Some say deservedly.

Anyway, so, about Morgan Frost……

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

wait a damned minute? another native American killed the last Mohican?

That's not my favorite Mayhican. My favorite would be Montequilla.