Hurricane28
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He is. But from what I noticed he only came out for about 20 seconds on the second PK, none on the first one. Giroux took the face off, won it, then went off the ice and Flipper came on
Post-Game Talk: #63 | Panthers 1 at FLYERS 2 (2-1 in SO)| Thursday, March 2, 2017
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He is. But from what I noticed he only came out for about 20 seconds on the second PK, none on the first one. Giroux took the face off, won it, then went off the ice and Flipper came on
Hurricane28
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Ive complained about shot quality a lot this season, but last night that wasn't the problem. if they keep playing like that, the floodgates will open
Beef Invictus
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What a ****ing onslaught. How is it that we get stoned night after night?
Well, our shot quality typically isn't that good
It looks like our centers are definitely more active lately. Giroux is making appearances in the slot again, Couturier is around the net, and Bellemare isn't playing as much like a 1920s rover.
Thank God. They badly needed to take some risks to create better chances. Hopefully it keeps up.
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He didn't score until last season in the KHL, before that he was an offensive cipher. Thought maybe he had turned the corner, but watching him here I don't get any sense that he has playmaking skills or much in the way of hockey IQ. He has shown zero scoring skills this season, nor is he a great defensive player.
His strong point is skating, hustle and willingness to go into corners, but jeez, make a play once a week, will ya?
Now I'm willing to accept this is growing pains, but he's no youngster. Kinda like Raffl lite, very lite.
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Appleyard
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He scored at a higher rate in 14-15 than 15-16.
Did you watch him for CSKA, or Russia? He was the premier 3rd liner in the league playing behind basically an All-star group of forwards. He played vs the best lines the other team had every night and generally came out on top.
Hence why he was playing for the Russian national team! No-where near a fringe KHLer.
BernieParent
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Hopefully, the number of shots Filppula took is a good sign of him looking to be a scorer rather than solely a playmaker. In the main-board discussion of the trade, there were several comments by Lightning fans that Filppula was a pass-first forward to a fault.
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kudymen
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What a ****ing onslaught. How is it that we get stoned night after night?
Is it me or is the number of shots missed from the circles and closer unusually high?
LegionOfDoom91
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I'll never forget that shot circled in red for the rest of my life. Schultz almost took someone heads off everybody was ducking to avoid it.
Didn't a Florida player hit the deck?
Beef Invictus
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Indeed. Most indeed. The team needs more shooters, and we have since parting with Gagne and Carter.
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Then why is he so bad here?
Nor was he that great in Russia
2014-15 46g 6-7 13
2015-16 52g 7-7 14
Now the weird thing is he played better in the playoffs
2 years 27g 8-6 14
Since playoff hockey at all levels is more intense and against better competition (you've eliminated the weak sisters), it's usually a better indicator of a player's upside than regular season performance. This is why I expected more from him.
He's got good size, he skates well, he goes into the corner after the puck, but it's not just that he's not scoring, he's not even making plays. Right now he reminds me of a slower Rinaldo. He's got 1 assist in 45 games.
Weird thing is he does put up good CorsiRel and GFrel numbers.
And his scoring per60 5x5 is bad, but not Weise bad.
But you should get a half dozen assists just sending it back to a defenseman at the point.
If he was 21, I'd say, ok, he's probably struggling with a higher level of play and needs to work on his game, but he turned 25 in January. How much upside does he have?
I think for him to stick he has to be a PK guy, where I think he could excel given his size and speed, harassing defensemen at the point and chasing the puck.
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Appleyard
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He got more TOI in the play-offs as the opponents best players played more. So his coach used him more to match them off the ice.
Firstly no-one on the team is scoring well, secondly playing with PEB and VdV surely has not helped. He cannot get an assist to save his life for good reason! Hence the 4 goals and 1 assist.
He has been put with the lowest scoring forward in the NHL over the last 3 years and the 13th lowest (out of 289...).
Without Lyubimov PEB and VdVs Corsi drops by 4% in VdV's case and 2% in PEB's case.
And yeh, he should be on the PK.
I mean, I don't think he is anything special. I would have been very happy had he shown to be a good ~20 point 4th line wing who could bring value on the PK. I don't think he has really been given the chance to show much though. He excelled on the PK for Russia and CSKA, yet has never been given PK minutes!
But he was no-where close to being a fringe KHLer, which was my original point of contention. You dont play for Russia when you are a fringe KHLer... or play key minutes on the best team in the KHL.
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I agree with everything. I don't think Lyubimov is anything special and he's replaceable, but for the life of me, I cannot fathom how a player who plays for Team Russia, and has shown no issue playing the NA game, can be in and out of the lineup and not given much of a chance but Chris VandeVelde -- AHL talent, career journeyman, and nepotism extraordinaire -- can be absolutely irreplaceable. It's just awful. Just like Medvedev and Manning last year, if I'm a Russian free agent I look elsewhere to sign in the NHL as long as Hakstol is here.
If we somehow got a Panarin talent, I'm convinced Hakstol would misuse him and send him packing back to Russia after the year.
If we somehow got a Panarin talent, I'm convinced Hakstol would misuse him and send him packing back to Russia after the year.
Striiker
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Amazing that he's going to complain about Lyubimov's lack of offense and completely ignore both who he plays with and how much he plays...
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I think it's interesting that Lyubimov probably won't reach 60 games. He's currently at 45 with only 19 games left.
https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers_calculator/roman-lyubimov#results
If he plays 59 or less he won't be waiver eligible at the start of next season, assuming he's still in the NHL and not back in Russia.
https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers_calculator/roman-lyubimov#results
If he plays 59 or less he won't be waiver eligible at the start of next season, assuming he's still in the NHL and not back in Russia.
Striiker
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I doubt he gets re-signed.
There's enough new blood coming next year and Hakstol has made it very clear that he doesn't plan to use him on the PK for some stupid reason. So if he doesn't PK or put up a 3rd line level of points there's really no reason to keep him in the lineup over guys like Lindblom, Leier, Laughton, or even a long shot like NAK. .
There's enough new blood coming next year and Hakstol has made it very clear that he doesn't plan to use him on the PK for some stupid reason. So if he doesn't PK or put up a 3rd line level of points there's really no reason to keep him in the lineup over guys like Lindblom, Leier, Laughton, or even a long shot like NAK. .
Flyerfan4life
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if im Luby i wouldnt resign under Hakslogic..
im sure his agent is looking for offers anywere else
im sure his agent is looking for offers anywere else
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It may well be that he struggled in practice, there's a lot we don't see, how good is his english? Did he grasp the team concepts? Once the ST units were set, and started to play well (they've gone from #20+ to #13 on the PK the last month or two) Hakstol may not have wanted to mess with what was working.
If Luby returns, I'd suspect it would be a clean slate in TC, with a year of NHL hockey under his belt, he'd get a chance to win a steady job on the 4th line and the PK. His competition will probably be Leier, Laughton and Weise/Read, depending on the ED and if they add a forward to the top 9 (or keep Weal/Cousins for that role). He'd have an edge as a PK guy over this group.
Even if they resign VdV, it won't guarantee him a job, he only got paid $700K this year and anything under a million means he can be sent down to the AHL with no cap ramifications. Hextall might bring him back as the "14th forward" in LHV, and he might be willing to take that role for a NHL contract.
If Luby returns, I'd suspect it would be a clean slate in TC, with a year of NHL hockey under his belt, he'd get a chance to win a steady job on the 4th line and the PK. His competition will probably be Leier, Laughton and Weise/Read, depending on the ED and if they add a forward to the top 9 (or keep Weal/Cousins for that role). He'd have an edge as a PK guy over this group.
Even if they resign VdV, it won't guarantee him a job, he only got paid $700K this year and anything under a million means he can be sent down to the AHL with no cap ramifications. Hextall might bring him back as the "14th forward" in LHV, and he might be willing to take that role for a NHL contract.
Tripod
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Lub hasn't been given an honest chance this year.
He brings energy and terrific forechecking but needs more time to find his game in the NHL. Shame that some other team will probably give him the ice he needs next year.
He brings energy and terrific forechecking but needs more time to find his game in the NHL. Shame that some other team will probably give him the ice he needs next year.
