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I really wanted Helleson, but from the sound of it I guess this kid plays a similar, low-risk, defense-first, game.
Does he play a similar game to Xavier Bernard?
FWIW Okhotyuk's nickname is "The Russian Hunter" because he loves to dish out heavy hits
Will he play end of the season in Ottawa and next year in AHL?
Would imagine this would be the case.
Certainly a chance he could play in Bing this season if Ottawa's season unexpectedly ends early...but they're cruising with a 26-6-0 record, so that's not likely to happen.
He only just turned 19 so he'd really be on the young side for the AHL next season, but he at least qualifies for the AHL as he'll turn 20 a few weeks before the Dec 31st deadline.
Can someone explain to me what the idea is with signing him to an ELC this year and using a year if there is a strong chance he will play in neither league?
This isnt a underhanded stab, this is a legitimate, "I don't understand," trying to figure out what I'm missing.
I don't completely understand it either but from @Triumph comment, it sounds like they had to sign him before the end of the year for his ELC to slide. In other words, whenever he finally plays for Binghamton or NJ that will be year 1 of his ELC, and it won't use a year this season (or even next season, as Ty Smith's season in Spokane is not costing an ELC year even though he's signed.)
That's what I originally thought, but the article said it starts with the 2019-2020 season. Unless I understand ELCs less than I thought.
Yea I think I got it now, it's basically "nothing to lose, so why not" move.Yeah, it's a 3 year contract for this season, 2019-2020, so he's eligible for an emergency call up or to play AHL/NHL games at the end of the season. If he doesn't play any AHL/NHL games, it slides to next season, and if he doesn't play AHL/NHL games in 2020-2021, it slides again.
For example, Ty Smith signed his ELC in August of 2018. He played the entire 2018-2019 season in the CHL, and his contract slid. If he doesn't play in the AHL/NHL this year, his contract will slide again. You can see it here: New Jersey Devils - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps if you scroll to the bottom, Ty Smith is listed as non-roster defense, and one of the icons is "Entry Level Contract Slide Candidate". So if he plays in the AHL or NHL next season, that will be year 1 of his ELC.
Yea I think I got it now, it's basically "nothing to lose, so why not" move.
Thanks!
"What is an Entry Level Slide?
If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide.
Players who sign at 18 years old are eligible to have their contracted extended for 2 seasons. This extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 in his signing year. Signing bonuses do not slide, and are paid to the player regardless of a slide, this causes the annual average of the players contract to change, and therefore the cap hit decreases for this player."
His birthday is December 4. So from this, it seems it would make no difference if they signed him or waited. This gives him a chance to play this year, but if he doesn't and he slides, he would be in the same position if they waited to sign him.
So basically signing him now changes nothing but giving him the slight chance to play 9 games this year.
It's very hard to parse this stuff, and I've gotten it wrong in the past, so this could also be wrong, but - no, it does change something. You can see the exception I bolded. Okhotyuk falls into this group IF he had signed next calendar year. His contract would not have slid whereas now it will almost certainly slide twice. Here's the three scenarios with Okhotyuk:
Signs in 2019 -
Contract slides 2019-20
Contract slides 2020-21
Contract begins 2021-22, 2022-23, 2023-24. Waiver eligible in September 2023
Signs between March 1, 2020 and March 1, 2021
Contract begins 2020-21, runs through 2022-23. Waiver eligible in September 2023
Signs March 1, 2021-June 1, 2021
Contract begins 2021-22, runs through 2023-24. Waiver eligible in September 2024.
Almost every player who signs a contract like this goes to the AHL the next season - I'm not sure they will do that with Okhotyuk given his start to this one, but I have to think they would've considered waiting until March 2021 if they felt he couldn't handle the pros.
It's very hard to parse this stuff, and I've gotten it wrong in the past, so this could also be wrong, but - no, it does change something. You can see the exception I bolded. Okhotyuk falls into this group IF he had signed next calendar year. His contract would not have slid whereas now it will almost certainly slide twice. Here's the three scenarios with Okhotyuk:
Signs in 2019 -
Contract slides 2019-20
Contract slides 2020-21
Contract begins 2021-22, 2022-23, 2023-24. Waiver eligible in September 2023
Signs between March 1, 2020 and March 1, 2021
Contract begins 2020-21, runs through 2022-23. Waiver eligible in September 2023
Signs March 1, 2021-June 1, 2021
Contract begins 2021-22, runs through 2023-24. Waiver eligible in September 2024.
Almost every player who signs a contract like this goes to the AHL the next season - I'm not sure they will do that with Okhotyuk given his start to this one, but I have to think they would've considered waiting until March 2021 if they felt he couldn't handle the pros.