Post-Game Talk: #61 | Flyers at Devils | February 25, 2023

[Hollywood Cannon]

I’ve been out of the loop all weekend because my sister got married and I actually lol‘s seeing these two scores.

This team is amazing. Torts fixed them.

Bahhahahahahahaahahahaha.

 

[freakydallas13]

Bahhahahahahahaahahahaha.

Too valuable to trade, where else would the Flyers get that from?!

Seelsy is a glue guy

 

[Tripod]

Reminder....

"Fletch is a good GM"- Ghosts Beer

 

[deadhead]

Oh please.

You're continual defense off this organization and how they run things is inexcusable. They've gotten significantly worse year after year under Schmuck's watch. That's not deniable. When he became GM, he was flush with cap space, draft picks and prospects and in that time, he's pissed away everything. The Flyers have no cap space, prospects are several years away and he continues to double down on this stupid quest for a playoff spot.

You continually say that people need to find someone to scapegoat. Schmuck has made that easy because he's been terrible. And you know what, when he was hired, I had high expectations because even though he was dismal in Minnesota, he was still working in the league with good management people and I thought (quite incorrectly) that he would be able to right the ship. He's tanked the team. The fact you bury your head in the sand about this is laughable.

What's even sadder is that his job as the GM is to be the focal point of the franchise and determine what direction the club has to go in. He hasn't done that. As much as I dislike Tortorella, he's at least had the balls to step up and tell things for what they are. Schmuck has hid like a coward and won't answer for the mess he's made (and partly because the 'media types' refuse to give him tough questions). That's YOUR leader in action.

No, this place needs a full f***ing house cleaning. Schmuck's head needs to be on the chopping block, along with Nature Boy, Clarke, Holmgren, Lombardi, and the rest of hockey operations.

No, they weren't. Go look at that 2018 roster, and the draft picks had all been used, and too many wasted, for players like Patrick, Rubtsov, JOB, and Ratcliffe. They didn't have future picks after 2018.

Did Fletcher do a good job after that first season? No. But it wasn't like he was handed a young, up coming team with a pipeline full of top prospects. It was a mediocre team, with no young elite talent, and was told to make that team win now.

Farabee 2019, Frost, Cates and Allison 2022 are the only prospects Hextall drafted who weren't already on that 2018-19 team that finished with 82 points. Some of that was goaltending, but it was still a mediocre team with average goaltending.

The top 9 forwards on that team, G (31), Couts (26), Voracek (29), TK (21), JVR (29), Lindblom (22), Laughton (24), Patrick (20), Simmonds (30). Some bad luck, but that was certainly not a core of a future contender.

The top D-men, Provorov (22), Ghost (25), Sanheim (22), Gudas (28), Hagg (22).

Nor did they have a lot of cap room, G $8.25M, Voracek $8.25M, JVR $7M, Ghost $4.5M, they were pretty close to the cap.

In a sense, Fletcher has done us a favor, as long as they kept muddling through and making the playoffs every other year, there would never be enough pressure for things to change - between his screw up and Tort's honesty - the fig leaf has been ripped off.

 

[Magua]

No, they weren't.

Since you love your quotes and Tortorella signed letters so much, I'll let Chuck Fletcher himself spell it out:

"The cupboard is full. There are a tremendous amount of prospects," Fletcher said Wednesday at his introductory press conference. "This year, we have nine draft picks - we have an extra third and an extra seventh. We have cap space and we have good players. There's everything here to be successful and that's our goal and that's what we're going to do. It's set up for success."

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Since you love your quotes and Tortorella signed letters so much, I'll let Chuck Fletcher himself spell it out:

the best self burn in the history of self burns..

nice job Flutch

 

[renberg]

No, they weren't. Go look at that 2018 roster, and the draft picks had all been used, and too many wasted, for players like Patrick, Rubtsov, JOB, and Ratcliffe. They didn't have future picks after 2018.

Did Fletcher do a good job after that first season? No. But it wasn't like he was handed a young, up coming team with a pipeline full of top prospects. It was a mediocre team, with no young elite talent, and was told to make that team win now.

Farabee 2019, Frost, Cates and Allison 2022 are the only prospects Hextall drafted who weren't already on that 2018-19 team that finished with 82 points. Some of that was goaltending, but it was still a mediocre team with average goaltending.

The top 9 forwards on that team, G (31), Couts (26), Voracek (29), TK (21), JVR (29), Lindblom (22), Laughton (24), Patrick (20), Simmonds (30). Some bad luck, but that was certainly not a core of a future contender.

The top D-men, Provorov (22), Ghost (25), Sanheim (22), Gudas (28), Hagg (22).

Nor did they have a lot of cap room, G $8.25M, Voracek $8.25M, JVR $7M, Ghost $4.5M, they were pretty close to the cap.

In a sense, Fletcher has done us a favor, as long as they kept muddling through and making the playoffs every other year, there would never be enough pressure for things to change - between his screw up and Tort's honesty - the fig leaf has been ripped off.

Fletcher could do a better favor to us by doing a swan dive off of the Ben Franklin

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Since you love your quotes and Tortorella signed letters so much, I'll let Chuck Fletcher himself spell it out:

Now you’ve gone and done it. That’s one of the times it was designated as GM speak (because it doesn’t fit a fantasy narrative).

 

[Beef Invictus]

Imagine trying to gaslight us about a thing we all lived through recently.

 

[deadhead]

Since you love your quotes and Tortorella signed letters so much, I'll let Chuck Fletcher himself spell it out:

But you keep telling me he's incompetent, so why should I take his opinion seriously?

 

[deadhead]

Fletcher had 7.6 mil in cap space and his roster was this:

Forwards:

• Claude Giroux
• Sean Couturier
• Travis Konecny
• Jakub Voracek
• James van Riemsdyk
• Wayne Simmonds
• Nolan Patrick
• Oskar Lindblom
• Michael Raffl
• Scott Laughton
• Jori Lehtera
• Dale Weise
• Phil Varone
• Corban Knight

Defensemen:

• Shayne Gostisbehere
• Ivan Provorov
• Andrew MacDonald
• Radko Gudas
• Robert Hagg
• Christian Folin
• Travis Sanheim

Goaltenders:

• Brian Elliott
• Anthony Stolarz
• Michal Neuvirth

That's a good team? I mean Deslauriers would be pushing for 3rd line minutes!

And note since then Patrick is out, Voracek is out, Lindblom is a 4th liner due to cancer, Simmonds is cooked, Couts missed the last year and a half. Not exactly a bright future.
Lots of 3rd pair D-men.

 

[Magua]

But you keep telling me he's incompetent, so why should I take his opinion seriously?

I feel like this is a self own…….

 

[Tripod]

Imagine in 2023 saying Fletch has done us a favor

f***ing christ


But hey, he doesn't defend Fletch.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's a good team? I mean Deslauriers would be pushing for 3rd line minutes!

No he wouldn't.

And note since then Patrick is out, Voracek is out, Lindblom is a 4th liner due to cancer, Simmonds is cooked, Couts missed the last year and a half. Not exactly a bright future.
Lots of 3rd pair D-men.

Oh Fletcher has let talent bleed out while only adding slobs? Yes we know. That's what we've been telling you for years and you deny.

 

[deadhead]

No he wouldn't.



Oh Fletcher has let talent bleed out while only adding slobs? Yes we know. That's what we've been telling you for years and you deny.

That talent didn't bleed, he got Atkinson who'll at least is a good bet to play next year while Voracek should probably call it quits (when you're that rich, why risk scrambled brains?).

Patrick, Lindblom were just bad luck. They've done nothing since they left, neither has Myers.

Ghost is really the only "talent" that left, and I still contend he's a left handed TDA, better defensively, less talented offensively, both should be 3rd pair, PP1 specialists.

Gudas, career 3rd pair RHD, Raffl, aging bottom six guy, Simmonds cooked, Hagg #6/#7.
It's not like they bleed talent, they never had that much talent.

Fletcher did turn it around for a year, and if not for COVID and Hart melting down, maybe they run it back in 2020-21 - but that team had a very narrow window. And when that window closed, they should have blown it up last spring and summer (trade Risto, don't trade for TDA, etc.). The talent simply wasn't there but does anyone think if Fletcher wanted to start a rebuild he would have been allowed to do so?

 

[Beef Invictus]

That talent didn't bleed, he got Atkinson who'll at least is a good bet to play next year while Voracek should probably call it quits (when you're that rich, why risk scrambled brains?).

Patrick, Lindblom were just bad luck. They've done nothing since they left, neither has Myers.

Ghost is really the only "talent" that left, and I still contend he's a left handed TDA, better defensively, less talented offensively, both should be 3rd pair, PP1 specialists.

Gudas, career 3rd pair RHD, Raffl, aging bottom six guy, Simmonds cooked, Hagg #6/#7.
It's not like they bleed talent, they never had that much talent.

Fletcher did turn it around for a year, and if not for COVID and Hart melting down, maybe they run it back in 2020-21 - but that team had a very narrow window. And when that window closed, they should have blown it up last spring and summer (trade Risto, don't trade for TDA, etc.). The talent simply wasn't there but does anyone think if Fletcher wanted to start a rebuild he would have been allowed to do so?

Amazing how many moves you just ignore or wave off. How dishonest.

Fletcher has done a bad job and that's why the team is a lot worse. Stop denying it. It's pointless to defend. It's indefensible.

 

[freakydallas13]

But you keep telling me he's incompetent, so why should I take his opinion seriously?

I'm confused, are you saying Chuck is incompetent, or you just attempting to deflect a joke with while not addressing the fact that Chuck claimed the opposite of what you are claiming now?

Please elaborate.

 

[kudymen]

But you keep telling me he's incompetent, so why should I take his opinion seriously?

So you’re saying that Magua was right and you have no reasonable way how to counter his point?

 

[deadhead]

We know those prospects weren't that talented, because they've done nothing, here or on their new teams.
And one reason is Hextall was "old school," he put far more emphasis on size than Fletcher/Flahr and ended up drafting a lot of big but limited skill forwards. It worked with Allison and Laczynski when they're healthy, but missed with a half dozen other forwards.

The Flyers have been snake bit as well, the training staff may have had its flaws, but they weren't the reason Patrick, Laberge, Rubtsov, Lindblom et al went down for the count.

And both Hextall and Fletcher were "fails" when it came to adding talent on the margins, that's 9 seasons where the GM/pro scouts couldn't find "hidden gems" on the waiver wire or in minor trades. Did Holmgren ever land these guys his last few years?

 

[Beef Invictus]

We know those prospects weren't that talented, because they've done nothing, here or on their new teams.
And one reason is Hextall was "old school," he put far more emphasis on size than Fletcher/Flahr and ended up drafting a lot of big but limited skill forwards. It worked with Allison and Laczynski when they're healthy, but missed with a half dozen other forwards.

The Flyers have been snake bit as well, the training staff may have had its flaws, but they weren't the reason Patrick, Laberge, Rubtsov, Lindblom et al went down for the count.

And both Hextall and Fletcher were "fails" when it came to adding talent on the margins, that's 9 seasons where the GM/pro scouts couldn't find "hidden gems" on the waiver wire or in minor trades. Did Holmgren ever land these guys his last few years?

It only shows that the Flyers have done years of damage. You don't fix years of lost development easily. This has been explained to you over and over.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It also shows that Chuck Fletcher is shitty at his job because he kept and re-signed a good portion of those “done nothing” players instead of trading them off before their zero value was known.

But again, this has been explained countless times already and ignored because Chuck Fletcher and the organization must be defended at all times despite “not defending Chuck.”

 

[dragonoffrost]

But you keep telling me he's incompetent, so why should I take his opinion seriously?

That was his missison statement.... Everything after that shows why we call him incompetent now.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

It also shows that Chuck Fletcher is shitty at his job because he kept and re-signed a good portion of those “done nothing” players instead of trading them off before their zero value was known.

But again, this has been explained countless times already and ignored because Chuck Fletcher and the organization must be defended at all times despite “not defending Chuck.”

I mean, there's also the small fact that players you draft aren't always the exact same players a few years later after you develop them, when you can be bothered to develop them.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I mean, there's also the small fact that players you draft aren't always the exact same players a few years later after you develop them, when you can be bothered to develop them.

I think Beef covered that but reinforcement is key.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I think Beef covered that but reinforcement is key.

Beef covered it in malt vinegar.