Post-Game Talk: #6 | Flyers at Golden Knights | October 24, 2023 | Flyers lose 3-2

volnoir

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It's I Mother Earth, they are a 1990s/2000s era funk/jam/rock kinda band. Interesting mix of 90s rock, Pink Floyd ambience in their breakdowns, latin / funk percussion feels, and Santana-ish solo flavours.

They really extend their songs in live shows - last night they opened with like a 10 minute slow burn jam.

Probably not appealing to most people today, but I grew up with them so it's more of a nostalgia thing.
If you grew up in Canada in the 90s you would know without a doubt those 2 bands. Much like many of the Canadian acts back then their infiltration of the US was very limited (see Tragically Hip). Is Edwin still singing for IMO? God I played Scenery And Fish to death. How was Jeff Martin's voice?
 

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If you grew up in Canada in the 90s you would know without a doubt those 2 bands. Much like many of the Canadian acts back then their infiltration of the US was very limited (see Tragically Hip). Is Edwin still singing for IMO? God I played Scenery And Fish to death. How was Jeff Martin's voice?

Yup, most Canadians have definitely heard of both :) I sang every single song played last night, start to finish.

Edwin is back as the lead singer... not sure when that happened, but man, he sounded incredible. Way better than back in the day when I thought he was pretty mediocre to bad live. The whole band had such a great vibe last night - at one point there were 7 people on stage - the four guys from the band, two bongo / percussion players, and an organ/pad player. So good!

And Tea Party was exactly what you'd expect. They opened with The River. Martin sounds (and looks... that's gotta be a wig) exactly like he did back then. They played a smattering of their exotic instruments and sounds, and because they are a trio, I love how intimate things get when songs really break down... just the soft percussion in the background, and some bass holding things together, while Martin's vocals soar over top. Plus, he's a funny and charismatic guy.

Too many bands today lack dynamic range, and both last night gave a masterclass on how to do it well.
 
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If you are having the puck and generating offensive chances then that is time spent where the opposing team can't score. Offense is also defense.

Defense is purely defensive.
True but I am sure that the Flyers coaching staff are acutely interested in scoring chances generated by a quick breakout from the defensive zone, both for and against.
 

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Yup, most Canadians have definitely heard of both :) I sang every single song played last night, start to finish.

Edwin is back as the lead singer... not sure when that happened, but man, he sounded incredible. Way better than back in the day when I thought he was pretty mediocre to bad live. The whole band had such a great vibe last night - at one point there were 7 people on stage - the four guys from the band, two bongo / percussion players, and an organ/pad player. So good!

And Tea Party was exactly what you'd expect. They opened with The River. Martin sounds (and looks... that's gotta be a wig) exactly like he did back then. They played a smattering of their exotic instruments and sounds, and because they are a trio, I love how intimate things get when songs really break down... just the soft percussion in the background, and some bass holding things together, while Martin's vocals soar over top. Plus, he's a funny and charismatic guy.

Too many bands today lack dynamic range, and both last night gave a masterclass on how to do it well.
There are a lot of good American bands that have strong local followings but never broke nationwide.

Probably similar to Canadian bands in that they have regional base to fill gigs and sell some records and merchandise,
 
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I'm not quite sure how you guys on here think Tort's is gonna coach anything but defensive play . It is well known he has no clue how to coach offense or the modern game of pressure in your own end , east west thru the neutral zone and puck possession in their end .

He is a fossil coach with with old school mentality , if he could play the beloved 4 line all game long he would cause he loves 0-0 games .

I have watched about 1 period all season long so far and i'm pretty well done with this team while Tort's and Rocky fricken Thompson have anything to do with this team . They piss me off just looking at them behind the bench .
 

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So I didn't see the game but I just watched the last two goals....

Woof Z you made a rookie mistake on that second Vegas goal.

Nice of the refs to miss the chicken wing hold of Coots stick by Barbashev.
 

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Caught about half the 2nd period after I got home from a show, and saw the highlights this morning. They were looking pretty decent.

Side note, I went to see I Mother Earth and Tea Party - their live performances just get better with age. I have no voice left this morning.
Have a friend who went to their show as well....at Casino, in NB, right?
 
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Outside of Sanheim, what Flyer D-man would you trust carrying the puck from the D-zone into the O-zone?
York, Zamula, Walker. And if the coaching staff can't trust York and Zamula, then that's a development issue with them that they aren't willing to address. We all heard that they're 'rebuilding.' Part of rebuilding is letting York and Zamula carry the puck into the offensive zone from the defensive zone. That's part of the skillset they have and it's up to the coaches to allow that to develop. If coaches aren't doing that, that's on them. That's why you do this in a rebuild. They can afford the opportunity to make a mistake and learn from it.

Not letting York and Zamula carry the puck is about as defenseless as Haktard not allowing defensemen to lead rushes because they 'might turn the puck over.'
 

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Impressive game, playing on the West Coast, a 11PM start by their body clocks,
Couts did not have a good game, on the other hand, the Cates line was excellent.
Tippett may have to move back to RW when Frost returns.

TK - Couts - Atkinson
Farabee- Cates - Brink
Foerster/Laughton - Frost - Tippett

Brink, Foerster and Zamula seem to all have won jobs, Andrae back to LHV when Risto is healthy.
Andrae needs to go to LHV asap and play until he shows he's ready to be able to compete

He got a taste and isn't quite ready.
 

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York and Zamula are better served skating out of the D-zone and finding someone to pass to, neither has jets (force opponents to back off) or are great puck carriers. It's not that they're bad, they're just nothing special carrying the puck through the neutral zone. They should focus on seeing the ice and making crisp passes to keep the puck moving. They shouldn't be emulating Sanheim.
 

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York and Zamula are better served skating out of the D-zone and finding someone to pass to, neither has jets (force opponents to back off) or are great puck carriers. It's not that they're bad, they're just nothing special carrying the puck through the neutral zone. They should focus on seeing the ice and making crisp passes to keep the puck moving. They shouldn't be emulating Sanheim.


Hmmm...... Scouts who actually watch players say that they have puck carrying ability. One says that their puck carrying skills are nothing special and that they need to pass the puck off.

I guess with the Flyers not letting them play to their strengths, it kind of makes sense, but just proves this club has zero f***ing clue on how to develop players.
 

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Hmmm...... Scouts who actually watch players say that they have puck carrying ability. One says that their puck carrying skills are nothing special and that they need to pass the puck off.

I guess with the Flyers not letting them play to their strengths, it kind of makes sense, but just proves this club has zero f***ing clue on how to develop players.

It's weird how we have so many examples of poor development that we can't remember all of them anymore, and yet a ton of people out there still blame players for everything.
 

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York is good in the offensive zone because he's a good passer with good vision with short area agility. And Torts has pushed him to be more aggressive in the O-zone. But he doesn't skate in open ice like Sanheim, who when he gets up to speed is one of the fastest D-men in the league with the puck.

Zamula is another high IQ player who is decent all around but lacks any special quality to his skating. He has shown a good shot from the point so far.

Andrae is similar to York, and I suspect Bonk will be a bigger, RH version, smart, mobile but not an elite puck carrier.

The guy who surprised me was Brink, watching him go end to end you can see how much his skating has improved, both his speed and his elusiveness.
 

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York is good in the offensive zone because he's a good passer with good vision with short area agility. And Torts has pushed him to be more aggressive in the O-zone. But he doesn't skate in open ice like Sanheim, who when he gets up to speed is one of the fastest D-men in the league with the puck.

Zamula is another high IQ player who is decent all around but lacks any special quality to his skating. He has shown a good shot from the point so far.

Andrae is similar to York, and I suspect Bonk will be a bigger, RH version, smart, mobile but not an elite puck carrier.

The guy who surprised me was Brink, watching him go end to end you can see how much his skating has improved, both his speed and his elusiveness.
Three quarters of the league doesn't skate like Sanheim. Doesn't mean you neuter the ability of your players. Look around the league and the majority of the teams out there don't hog tie players the way the Flyers do.

Clearly you don't watch Bonk because of you did, you would see that he's a superb puck handler, a must in the system used in London. Christ, Zadorov was a capable puck handler in London until that was coached out of him.

Development matters. Neutering a player's ability in order to fit an antiquated, outdated system is not a good development strategy.
 

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