Post-Game Talk: #56 | FLYERS 4 at Golden Knights 1 | Sun., Feb. 11 2018, 8:00 pm ET

[Beef Invictus]

Remember that rough month Elliott had?

Bryzgalov was that (but a little worse), all the time except for one stretch in March where he was good for 3 weeks.

 

[Lindberg]

I don't get the Elliot / Neuvy hate. They both seem to be able to play games well enough for the team to win and both of them are locked in on decent contracts. Do people routinely ignore how much contract details matter or just don't understand it?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Elliott’s meh but that’s pretty much what I expected & what he’s paid for. I think Neuvirth is good but it’s pretty much overshadowed as he’s always hurt or sick.

 

[Beef Invictus]

LOL

I’ve seen five times as many posts when Robert Hagg misses the net from the point six minutes into a scoreless game.

A player who brings far less to the table will be more aggravating than someone who brings a ton.

 

[Striiker]

Elliott’s meh but that’s pretty much what I expected & what he’s paid for. I think Neuvirth is good but it’s pretty much overshadowed as he’s always hurt or sick.

Yeah, I like Neuvirth better when healthy. Unfortunately that's rare, but when both are 100% I'd prefer him playing.

 

[JXC]

A player who brings far less to the table will be more aggravating than someone who brings a ton.

I understand, but I find the reverse to be true.

A third pairing defenseman throwing a muffin at the net is infinitely less remarkable than a Norris candidate getting turnstiled by a 32 year old man, like an overcooked steak at Texas Roadhouse vs the same at Ruth’s Chris.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I understand, but I find the reverse to be true.

A third pairing defenseman throwing a muffin at the net is infinitely less remarkable than a Norris candidate getting turnstiled by a 32 year old man, like an overcooked steak at Texas Roadhouse vs the same at Ruth’s Chris.

That depends on if the 3rd pairing dman is being played like a 3rd pairing dman, or if he's playing in place of superior talent in a bigger role than he deserves.

The former hasn't been the case.

 

[Striiker]

That analogy fails.

If there's one steakhouse that always has horrible food and another that's always amazing, except for one time, which steakhouse are you more likely to say good things about?

 

[Strawberry Fields]

I understand, but I find the reverse to be true.

A third pairing defenseman throwing a muffin at the net is infinitely less remarkable than a Norris candidate getting turnstiled by a 32 year old man, like an overcooked steak at Texas Roadhouse vs the same at Ruth’s Chris.

I see your point but it's generally safe to assume that the Norris contender's mistakes will be few and far between and that when he does mess up, he'll make up for it later on. Whereas when the third pair dman not only messes up, but like Beef said, is playing in a role way above his head, you know he's probably got more crummy tricks up his sleeve.

When Ghost and Provy mess up, people here generally acknowledge that they made a mistake but don't go as hard because history has shown us that their positives far outweigh their negatives and they'll probably make some great plays later on to counteract their errors.

Whereas when Mac, Manning, etc mess up, the best you can really hope for is that it doesn't get much worse for them than it already is in that particular game.

Sometimes the scapegoating does go a little far, but it should be easier to see why some guys get more passes than others from the fans on here. This also isn't a Flyers-specific phenomenon- every fanbase gushes over their good players and rags on their crappier ones.

 

[Rebels57]

Here’s another from just a few weeks ago:

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You are so full of shit.

Go back and look at the comments in that GDT after that goal was scored.

Here are a few from right after the goal.

Ghost has been fantastic lately defensively... but that was very poorly played. He was still in two minds whether to try and take the pass or not but Couts was already there.

That was weak. Gostisbehere and Neuvirth should be embarrassed

fooled Ghost. Nice move

Ghost got filthed..

Absolutely unacceptable trash D by Ghost.

Ghost got embarrassed there. Yikes.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

You are so ****ing full of ****.

Go back and look at the comments in that GDT after that goal was scored.

We tried this.

First he claimed he didn't see what we were talking about. Then, when another poster gave examples of specific posts that criticized Ghost, he deflected and claimed that Hagg gets 5x as much criticism for his mistakes.

The last few pages have really just been going around in circles tbh.

 

[Rebels57]

We tried this.

First he claimed he didn't see what we were talking about. Then, when another poster gave examples of specific posts that criticized Ghost, he deflected and claimed that Hagg gets 5x as much criticism for his mistakes.

The last few pages have really just been going around in circles tbh.

Thanks for the heads up. Disengaging.

 

[Hurricane28]

There's been more deflections in this thread today than Wayne Simmonds has had all season

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

That contract was brutal. Nine Years, 51 million dollars for a goalie. There's only like 3 goalies I've ever seen deserve a contract like that (Hasek, Brodeur, Roy).

It was a horrendous contract but he could have been making league minimum & the criticisms would have still been valid.

Honestly in today’s cap climate paying big money contracts even for great goalies isn’t worth it. Outside of few guys at the top & it’s not like they’re single handily carrying their teams to Stanley Cup’s. There just isn’t a huge difference in the quality of goalie the next two tiers but the price tags can be sometimes.

 

[Lindberg]

It was a horrendous contract but he could have been making league minimum & the criticisms would have still been valid.

Honestly in today’s cap climate paying big money contracts even for great goalies isn’t worth it. Outside of few guys at the top & it’s not like they’re single handily carrying their teams to Stanley Cup’s. There just isn’t a huge difference in the quality of goalie the next two tiers but the price tags can be sometimes.

Sure no doubt. Just wanted to reflect on how bad of a move it was. It is one of the thing I really do like about Hextall, he's acknowledged how important the aspect of contracts are.

I do think if he was making league minimum it would have been an easier pill to swallow but fortunately the buyout came just in time.

 

[onlylordsvsmorebp]

Remember that rough month Elliott had?

Bryzgalov was that (but a little worse), all the time except for one stretch in March where he was good for 3 weeks.

bryz was shit for the yotes too...except he had a couple amazing games in the playoffs against detroit. honestly wanted so badly for him to be the goalie the flyers thought he was...and not the goalie i knew he was.

 

[onlylordsvsmorebp]

i know he screwed up royally on the Cooke goal in the video...but i miss KIMMO so ****ing much.

 

[deadhead]

You are so full of ****.

Go back and look at the comments in that GDT after that goal was scored.

Here are a few from right after the goal.

GDT is immediate, but notice how those comments are often absent from the post-game thread.
There seems to be selective amnesia.

I hold the best players to higher standards, I don't expect that much from 4th line players or 3rd pair defensemen.
For one thing, most of them are fungible, and will soon be gone.

 

[Hurricane28]

Selective amnesia...how ironic

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Selective amnesia...how ironic

 

[Tripod]

GDT is immediate, but notice how those comments are often absent from the post-game thread.
There seems to be selective amnesia.

I hold the best players to higher standards, I don't expect that much from 4th line players or 3rd pair defensemen.
For one thing, most of them are fungible, and will soon be gone.

We all don't ignore the GDT while preparing a novel for the PGDT like some do.

 

[Striiker]

We all don't ignore the GDT while preparing a novel for the PGDT like some do.

Apparently some ignore the entire game too.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Apparently some ignore the entire game too.

That AHL game he watched last Saturday was the first actual hockey game he has watched in about three years. He usually foregoes them in lieu of a spreadsheet with statistics on it. Statistics and mushrooms spores. And feel free to kill me now, since knowing exactly what he is doing at any one point in time, like last Saturday, is surely End of Days level ****.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

sounds of furious typing.....

 

[JXC]

That depends on if the 3rd pairing dman is being played like a 3rd pairing dman, or if he's playing in place of superior talent in a bigger role than he deserves.

The former hasn't been the case.

What superior talent? Sanheim?