Post-Game Talk: #52| Canadiens 1 at FLYERS 3| Thursday, February 2, 2017

[Striiker]

The game was played, they won. There's no going back and guess what? They looked really good doing it. As a fan, I'm going to enjoy that and hope the next time that TK and Ghost can be responsible enough to be a part of it. I'm assuming the McDavid comparison to either of those two guys is a joke. This team isn't very good, but damn they looked sound last night.

I wasn't comparing them to McDavid, just making a point that "well they won so it doesn't matter" doesn't make sense.

I'm glad they won yesterday, but they didn't win because they were benched, they won in spite of that.

 

[Curufinwe]

The implicit assumption from the Fire Hakstol contingent is that the new coach would do the things we all don't like (like scratching Konecny) less often, but a new coach may well actually do them more often.

 

[Rebels57]

As biblical stories go, I liken the 4th line to Cain't and UnAbel.

 

[Striiker]

The implicit assumption from the Fire Hakstol contingent is that the new coach would do the things we all don't like (like scratching Konecny) less often, but a new coach may well actually do them more often.

Which is exactly why I haven't been on the "fire Hakstol" train. Getting rid of him just switches one idiot for another.

I'm on the "Hakstol is a dumbass train" and I'm the conductor of the "every single coach is a stupid sack of ****" train.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

So?

And maybe next time they lose because they didn't have one of these guys in who could have contributed to a GWG. Or maybe the person who replaces them causes a goal against. Maybe instead of Konecny or Ghost making a nice pass or skating the puck out of the zone the opponent stays in the offensive zone and scores.

Just because it didn't screw them over this time doesn't mean it won't in the future.

If Edmonton scratched McDavid for no reason and they ended up winning, would that be acceptable? Would they then keep him out until they lost? Of course not.

and if Ghost played last night and put the puck into his own net and they lost because of it many would still blame Hakstol for the loss playing that whole it is his fault he is playing the way he is game.
you can only pin a small and I mean a very small amount of blame on the coaching staff for Ghost's struggles this year. Do I agree with some of the scratches he has gotten? no. I have stated that already, but there are many reasons why Ghost is struggling this year and how Hakstol is using him is down on the list of reasons.

 

[Rebels57]

The implicit assumption from the Fire Hakstol contingent is that the new coach would do the things we all don't like (like scratching Konecny) less often, but a new coach may well actually do them more often.

This is fair to say.

However, if a new coach makes dumb lineup decisions but we are better than 29th in ES GF%, WORST SINCE 06-07, I will take that.

 

[Rebels57]

and if Ghost played last night and put the puck into his own net and they lost because of it many would still blame Hakstol for the loss playing that whole it is his fault he is playing the way he is game.
you can only pin a small and I mean a very small amount of blame on the coaching staff for Ghost's struggles this year. Do I agree with some of the scratches he has gotten? no. I have stated that already, but there are many reasons why Ghost is struggling this year and how Hakstol is using him is down on the list of reasons.

You actually have no idea why he is struggling.

I do know he had 3 goals and 10 points in his first 17 games before he was inexplicably scratched for the first time; and that his game has only been less effective since.

Are his struggles internal and have the coaching staff been working with him on and off the ice to bounce back? I have no idea. Based on Ghost's comments, it doesn't seem like there is a lot of love between them though.

 

[TCTC]

It's not a dumb lineup decision when you win the game. Hakstol's made some questionable decisions, but last night he obviously didn't.

 

[Striiker]

and if Ghost played last night and put the puck into his own net and they lost because of it many would still blame Hakstol for the loss playing that whole it is his fault he is playing the way he is game.
you can only pin a small and I mean a very small amount of blame on the coaching staff for Ghost's struggles this year. Do I agree with some of the scratches he has gotten? no. I have stated that already, but there are many reasons why Ghost is struggling this year and how Hakstol is using him is down on the list of reasons.

I'm a bit confused...

are you adding on to what I said or do you think I'm arguing against any of the things you said, because I'm not.

I don't blame Hakstol for Ghost's performance this year, but I do think he's doing zero to help him bounce back. Scratching him certainly won't do it.

 

[Rebels57]

I'm a bit confused...

are you adding on to what I said or do you think I'm arguing against any of the things you said, because I'm not.

I don't blame Hakstol for Ghost's performance this year, but I do think he's doing zero to help him bounce back. Scratching him certainly won't do it.

Exactamundo.

 

[Striiker]

It's not a dumb lineup decision when you win the game. Hakstol's made some questionable decisions, but last night he obviously didn't.

Complete nonsense.

Doing something stupid and it not biting you in the ass doesn't make the action not stupid. You just got lucky.

If I point a lit firework towards my eye and it turns out to be a dud that doesn't go off is it then fine to do it again? Obviously it wasn't a bad decision then, right?

 

[Rebels57]

Complete nonsense.

Doing something stupid and it not biting you in the ass doesn't make the action not stupid. You just got lucky.

If I point a lit firework towards my eye and it turns out to be a dud that doesn't go off is it then fine to do it again? Obviously it wasn't a bad decision then, right?

Yeah this is akin to saying, "Well I drove home ****-faced drunk but I made it in one piece. Must have been a good call!"

 

[Striiker]

Yeah this is akin to saying, "Well I drove home ****-faced drunk but I made it in one piece. Must have been a good call!"

Exactly.

What kind of logic is this?

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

I wasn't comparing them to McDavid, just making a point that "well they won so it doesn't matter" doesn't make sense.

I'm glad they won yesterday, but they didn't win because they were benched, they won in spite of that.

Agree to disagree, they won because the team went out and played well as a whole. TK and Ghost could've contributed in positive or negative fashion and we have no way of knowing what it would've been. That's why I'm moving on and hoping you are correct. As I've said before, I hate seeing young guys sitting in the press box.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hextall has said in the past he doesn't like carrying 8 dmen. Last season when we had 8 dmen he put together a trade to get rid of one of them who was a UFA. Hextall is still the GM.

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

Hextall has said in the past he doesn't like carrying 8 dmen. Last season when we had 8 dmen he put together a trade to get rid of one of them who was a UFA. Hextall is still the GM.

If they were showcasing Streit for the Habs they picked a good night. He looked like a different player.

 

[Curufinwe]

Streit, Schultz, MDZ.... hopefully at least one of them can be moved for a pick.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

You actually have no idea why he is struggling.

I do know he had 3 goals and 10 points in his first 17 games before he was inexplicably scratched for the first time; and that his game has only been less effective since.

Are his struggles internal and have the coaching staff been working with him on and off the ice to bounce back? I have no idea. Based on Ghost's comments, it doesn't seem like there is a lot of love between them though.

I have already said I dont always agree with Ghost being benched. But he has struggled with the pressure and teams forcing him to make quicker decisions with the puck. teams are being a lot more aggressive with him last year. of course last year he had a 12 percent shooting percentage

I'm a bit confused...

are you adding on to what I said or do you think I'm arguing against any of the things you said, because I'm not.

I don't blame Hakstol for Ghost's performance this year, but I do think he's doing zero to help him bounce back. Scratching him certainly won't do it.

I am adding to it. probably to the extreme. I do think there is some friction between not just Ghost and Hak but the rest of the coaching staff. Might as well add Hextall into the mix as well because I would be shocked if things like that were not communicated between Hextall and the coaching staff.

 

[deadhead]

So Konency = McDavid?

OK. I've heard it all.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

So Konency = McDavid?

OK. I've heard it all.

That's what you took away from that comment?

 

[Striiker]

So Konency = McDavid?

OK. I've heard it all.

If that's what you think I said then you really didn't read it.

I even clarified that it wasn't a comparison between players at all.

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

If that's what you think I said then you really didn't read it.

I even clarified that it wasn't a comparison between players at all.

You compared their situations, I still thought you were joking.

 

[kudymen]

So Konency = McDavid?

OK. I've heard it all.

OK. I've seen all levels of reading comprehension now.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You compared their situations, I still thought you were joking.

Do you think sitting good players for worse players is a sustainable practice?

 

[Striiker]

You compared their situations, I still thought you were joking.

I was just using an extreme example to illustrate a simple point.



Player A is good. Player B is bad.

Players A get's scratched, Player B plays instead.

Team wins.

Playing Player B over Player A is still a bad idea, even though they won.




Or if you prefer you could read my firework example.