GDT: [#46] Stars on Broadway

[Sempiternal]

WOW... massive collapse. This game could cost Ruff his job!

 

[brighteststars]

Wow goaltending and D are just pathetic.

 

[Satan]

please lose 8-7

 

[Magic Mittens]

Wow goaltending and D are just pathetic.

Lindell is still +2

 

[Satan]

+/- is fake

 

[Magic Mittens]

+/- is fake

Yeah, but when you're the Dallas Stars and destroy the NHL in goals against, its not bad to be a +

 

[serp]

Say what you want about Kari and his mistakes , awful mental state whatever but he's still a better goalie than Niemi.

 

[Ghost of Kyiv]

Man, an 8-7 comeback loss would have been sweet.

But, I guess any 7-6 contest should be ridiculous enough for my tastes, so I guess I can't complain.

 

[EXTRAS]

Did oduya get injured? What happened?

 

[serp]

Did oduya get injured? What happened?

No idea how and when it happened but Ruff just said Oduya got hurt .

 

[Troy McClure]

Say what you want about Kari and his mistakes , awful mental state whatever but he's still a better goalie than Niemi.

Neither one ismgood enough to be a starter.

 

[Indianation65]

I missed the game, but I hear it was a New York spectacle!

 

[serp]

Neither one ismgood enough to be a starter.

Kari on his good nights clearly still plays like a starter . Of course that might not last a full game and those have become much rarer than earlier in his career. Niemi on the other hand even on his good nights looks really questionable in his rebound control and positioning.

 

[Smelling Salt]

Yeah Niemi is scary. He doesn't stop the puck or make a save as much as he lunges chest first to block it. No technique and zero rebound control. At least Kari is more fundamentally sound, despite has penchant for questionable goals as well. He's way more trustworthy on rebounds and when the puck is in tight.

 

[yada]

What happened to dave strader calling stars games? Did he move to another team? Personally i dont like him that much and seeing a different announcer is a pleasant surprise as i am just starting the rangers/stars game from last night

 

[Troy McClure]

What happened to dave strader calling stars games? Did he move to another team? Personally i dont like him that much and seeing a different announcer is a pleasant surprise as i am just starting the rangers/stars game from last night

He was diagnosed with a very serious cancer and is home getting treatment. The Stars wanted to keep his seat warm, so they set it up this season where Razor would do play by play and Craig Ludwig would go from intermission work to color. Unfortunately, the treatment seems to have been far more taxing and serious than was first assumed. The idea was Strader would call some number of games, but he hasn't been able to do any.

 

[serp]

What happened to dave strader calling stars games? Did he move to another team? Personally i dont like him that much and seeing a different announcer is a pleasant surprise as i am just starting the rangers/stars game from last night

He had to be replaced due to Cancer . When it was announced Razor + Ludwig would doing games it was for games Strader couldn't call due to his health . Unfortunately its apparently worse than everyone thought since he couldn't call any games this season .

 

[yada]

Damn thats ****ed up. I forgot about the cancer

 

[Indianation65]

We cannot agree on everything, and in this forum, it appears almost nothing between forum brothers.

Kari lost me 3 seasons ago. Antti is not consistent, and every goalie has bad periods and bad games mixed in with the good. I'd still take Antti above Kari, and if another goalie comes to town, Antti goes to 2, and Kari, well, whatever is after that.

 

[serp]

Outside of the early honeymoon phase in the first few weeks of last season Niemi has been consistently worse than Kari. Kari is more likely to give you a fighting chance in games we have no buissness in . The only reason to keep Niemi over Kari is if you are less confident Karis ability to take a backseat to a new younger top dog than Niemis. When it comes to ability its not even really a contest that Kari is just better.

 

[Mr Misty]

Kari is 7th in the NHL in 5v5 sv% among goalies with at least 910m at 5v5. Chose that number because it is just a bit less than Niemi's 5v5 minutes and Niemi at 17th is ahead of Miller, Bishop, Condon, Luongo, Schneider, Jones, Ward, Fleury, Hellebuyck, Mrazek, Allen, Vasilevsky, Elliott, Lundqvist, Mason, and Varlamov.

One goalie in the upper quarter of the league, one at exactly the middle. Stars fans with pitchforks in hand, calling for a sacrifice.

What a time to be alive.

 

[Satan]

*whispers*


look at their adjusted fenwick sv% at 5 on 5

 

[Troy McClure]

Kari is 7th in the NHL in 5v5 sv% among goalies with at least 910m at 5v5. Chose that number because it is just a bit less than Niemi's 5v5 minutes and Niemi at 17th is ahead of Miller, Bishop, Condon, Luongo, Schneider, Jones, Ward, Fleury, Hellebuyck, Mrazek, Allen, Vasilevsky, Elliott, Lundqvist, Mason, and Varlamov.

One goalie in the upper quarter of the league, one at exactly the middle. Stars fans with pitchforks in hand, calling for a sacrifice.

What a time to be alive.

If the advanced stat tells you Kari and Niemi are better than a number of goalies any GM would rather have on the team, it's probably safe to say you're looking at too narrow of a stat.

 

[Magic Mittens]

Kari is 7th in the NHL in 5v5 sv% among goalies with at least 910m at 5v5. Chose that number because it is just a bit less than Niemi's 5v5 minutes and Niemi at 17th is ahead of Miller, Bishop, Condon, Luongo, Schneider, Jones, Ward, Fleury, Hellebuyck, Mrazek, Allen, Vasilevsky, Elliott, Lundqvist, Mason, and Varlamov.

One goalie in the upper quarter of the league, one at exactly the middle. Stars fans with pitchforks in hand, calling for a sacrifice.

What a time to be alive.

They have been good this season at times, and its not there fault our PK is terrible. But we need a goalie who can win us games when needed. I also dont trust either if we made the playoffs

Now i know our D needs help and that would also help with our goaltending. But they both just give up too many stoppable goals, and at the worst time.

This season is basically over for us ( watch us go on some 10 game winning streak ) but I hope Nill has a plan to fix our goaltending and D next year. Should be lots of options with the expansion draft this year

 

[serp]

I personally think Niemis style with bad rebound control boosts his SV% . He makes a ton of saves a better goalie never would have to make because they send rebounds to less dangerous areas or keep the puck sticking to them better.