GDT: [#46] Dallas Stars @ Colorado Avalanche, 8:00 PM CST (FSSW, ESPN+)

[serp]

 

[Zapp]

Sounds like Bowness likes Kiviranta a lot. Wouldn't be surprised if he's here to stay based on what Bones said.

 

[serp]

Sounds like Bowness likes Kiviranta a lot. Wouldn't be surprised if he's here to stay based on what Bones said.

Someone has to go somewhere else the minute Johns condition stint ends. Doubt they will be comfortable enough with his health not to go with 8D for a while when that happens.

Bowness does not seem to like Dowling as much so maybe they waive him ?

 

[Kcb12345]

Someone has to go somewhere else the minute Johns condition stint ends. Doubt they will be comfortable enough with his health not to go with 8D for a while when that happens.

Bowness does not seem to like Dowling as much so maybe they waive him ?

Sounds like Bowness likes Kiviranta a lot. Wouldn't be surprised if he's here to stay based on what Bones said.

I don't get the impression he likes Gurianov much either though.

Shapiro just tossed the idea out there that Gurianov could be scratched on thursday if they want Kiviranta to stay in the lineup. Can't imagine a team that struggles to score scratching a guy with 11 goals and that clearly makes us more dangerous offensively...but then again they did just bench him in a game they needed a goal in so who knows. Just Shapiro throwing the idea out there but it wouldn't surprise me

 

[serp]

I don't get the impression he likes Gurianov much either though.

Shapiro just tossed the idea out there that Gurianov could be scratched on thursday if they want Kiviranta to stay in the lineup. Can't imagine a team that struggles to score scratching a guy with 11 goals and that clearly makes us more dangerous offensively...but then again they did just bench him in a game they needed a goal in so who knows. Just Shapiro throwing the idea out there but it wouldn't surprise me

Gurianov has gotten inconsitent minutes under Bowness but still mostly the same as under Monty. This game was he least he's played in a while and he was noticeable with the turnovers today in a bad way . So i understand why he played less today.

Bowness also mentioned that he expects him to be better on thursday against the Sabres so i doubt they want to scratch him . Even in his bad game he's still clearly an offensive weapon and he's by far the most dangerous guy on the second PP unit. Scratching your second best powerplay goal scorer ( tied with Benn at 5 ) is something i can not see the coaching staff do.

The team just got the powerplay going they are not disrupting that.

If there's a scratch when Faksa returns and Kiviranta stays it should still be Perry. He just isn't that good anymore.

 

[Smelling Salt]

I agree it should be Perry but we are all smart people here and we know it won't be. Dat vetterin presents

 

[serp]

The coaching staff / Laxdall has clearly designed the second powerplay unit around Gurianov shooting / scoring from cross crease passes . 4 of his 5 PP goals came since the coaching change. I sincerely doubt he is getting scratched . He may not allways play much 5on5 but on the powerplay he's allways a weapon now. He's tied for 3rd in team goal scoring. I can't see the team scratching him to bring in Perry who has close to nothing positive since November .

 

[Magic Mittens]

Anyone else even forget Perry is on this team the last few games? Like others said, no way they scratch Gury right now, he may not play a lot during the third in tight games, but he’s still contributing

Doesn’t Perry have some kind of bonus for games played?

 

[Kcb12345]

Anyone else even forget Perry is on this team the last few games? Like others said, no way they scratch Gury right now, he may not play a lot during the third in tight games, but he’s still contributing

Doesn’t Perry have some kind of bonus for games played?

Every 10 games played I think he gets $250k or something?

 

[Magic Mittens]

Every 10 games played I think he gets $250k or something?

BONUS DETAILS: Games Played Bonus: $250,000 at each of the following levels (10, 20, 30, 40, 50 gms) + Playoff Qualification Bonus: $250,000 (club qualifies for playoffs & player played in 50 reg season gms) + Playoff Bonus: $100,000 (club wins 3 RDs & player played in 50% of playoff gms) + Stanley Cup Bonus: $150,000 (club wins the Stanley Cup & player played in 50% of playoff gms)


You’re correct

 

[BigG44]

I had been actually thinking about Perry's bonuses, but I hadn't taken the time to look it up. Dallas will be hit with a bonus overage this year. It's impossible they won't. Heiskanen alone will push them over the cap with his bonuses. Gurianov also has bonuses, $850K in A bonuses. With his goal scoring, he's on pace to at least get 1 of the $212,500 bonuses. Heiskanen will almost assuredly get all of his $850K in A bonuses. His B bonuses are hard to say because a team can negotiate different levels. For example, when Panarin was on an ELC, he only had to finish Top 10 in scoring to get the B bonus. Trophy wins or even placing can earn a B bonus as well. Realistically, the only way Heiskanen get's his B bonus this season would be the Stars winning the Stanley Cup, and then he wins the Conn Smythe. A while back, Towes really put a hurting on Chicago's cap situation when he won the Conn Smythe on an ELC.

On top of all of this, Sekera has bonuses as well:

Games Played Bonus: $100,000 at each of the following levels (40, 50, 60, 70 gms) + Playoff Qualification Bonus: $100,000 (club qualifies for playoffs & player played in 50 reg season gms)

Sekera has already played 42 games, and Dallas realistically should make the playoffs unless there is a massive collapse. In total, you could probably safely assume Sekera at least reaches 50 games even with Johns coming back. That said, Johns coming back may make it difficult for him to reach 70, but I think it's doubtful. If Johns comes back and plays, Polak seems like the guy who would be odd man out. He's already used less than Sekera overall. On the other hand, maybe Bones likes the L-R balance, and Sekera does get pushed out.

Trading Perry financially makes sense. In the off-season, many people rightfully were skeptical Dallas would buyout Nichushkin because of how rare it is for Nill to dump an asset. He made the right financial decision, and frankly hockey decision, and bought out Nichushkin later in the process. There is more than enough evidence that he should make the same call with Perry right now. As people have stated, Bones would be making a ridiculous decision to sit Gurianov based on his performance on the 2nd PP. Choosing between a PP specialist right now for Perry and Gurianov... it's not a decision. You either make the right choice or the wrong choice. I don't actually agree Gurianov is only a PP specialist, but lets say Bones views him that way right at the moment. You can't justify carrying 2, and there's been nothing special about Perry on the PP.

Trading Perry sooner rather than later is the difference between an additional $750K in bonus overage (what Perry has already earned playing with Dallas) or $1.5 million in bonus overages (what Perry will earn at minimum if he stays with the team). Just look at how much $750K would have meant this year. Has Perry really demonstrated that he's worth an additional $750K off of next season's cap?

With no changes, Dallas is probably about to have a $3,062,500 bonus overage next season. Last season's was only $932,500, and it's had a pretty big impact on the cap. Trimming that potential bonus overage to $2,312,500 by moving on from Perry makes too much sense, especially with the play of Kiviranta and Caamano (coming back from injury tonight for Texas - may have been the call up otherwise).

 

[serp]

Trading Perry is probably not that easy anyway considering he has a pretty narrow NTC in his contract. He should definitely be scratched more often though even if they can't trade him. He isn't all that good anymore and he is unlikely to be worth the overages for next season he could get.

BTW you can't use LTIR capspace to absorb that right ?

 

[BigG44]

LTIR space does not have any impact on overage bonuses unless the player was added to the roster after the team started using LTIR.

So for example, they couldn't add Gurianov late last season because they were using LTIR, and his bonuses (which he had not chance of earning at that time) still had to fit under the LTIR limit.

On the other hand, Heiskanen and Hintz were already on the roster. Dallas didn't use all of their LTIR space, but 100% of there bonuses landed on this season's cap.

 

[BigG44]

You know .... you could do some cap logistics at the TDL.

1) Send Gurianov down as a paper transaction.
2) Call him back up on LTIR. This assumes Dallas has added someone else that pushed them over the cap.
3) Gurianov would eat up $1,744,166 against the LTIR space.

Gurianov is on pace for 21 goals so it's not a slam dunk, but if he does hit 20, he does get $212,500.

 

[Ghost of Kyiv]

What happens if they trade Hanzal to a teams like LA or one of the other 10 teams with loads of deadline cap space? That would put the team's caphit at around $76.7 million. Is there an LTIR or other CBA cap rule I'm not accounting for?

I'm cool with trading Perry if the NTC allows for it, been hoping for that outcome for a little while now.

 

[serp]

Wondering what the price would be to get that contract off the cap at the TDL . Anaheim is supposedly open to take on other teams cap problems. Since it'd be just the last few months of the deal i would think the price can't be that high but who knows. Stars don't have that many picks this season so that might this harder as well.

 

[BigG44]

To make the math easier ... just being lazy ... if Hanzal was traded yesterday and Dallas didn't add a player until the TDL, the prorated cap space would allow Dallas to add a player or players with $9,618,748 in cap hits.

That number goes down extremely fast every day. Say Hanzal was traded in just over 2 weeks on 2/1. The prorated space would drop to a player or players with a cap hit of $7.6 million.

1 week before the TDL .... drops to $5.58 million.

The only way to make this actually work is to preemptively trade Hanzal and HOPE that you land a big fish. The more logical and less costly decision is to add assets if you actually land a bigger fish to get the other team to retain. There's no need for cap gymnastics, and you can still add any player. You might pay a premium to trade Hanzal and still not get the guy you want.

Retained salary is really the only way to go. It also means that it doesn't matter if the trade happened tomorrow or at the TDL. Multiple injuries though could be a major problem so it's not like this is ideal either. Even financially, doing nothing or adding a small cap hit makes the most sense even if it is technically possible to go big game fishing.

You can only go over the cap because of bonuses. If multiple players are hurt and you have used all of your LTIR space, you can't just add that to next season. You won't be able to call anyone up and you play with less than 20 players on game day until someone gets healthy. Yes the roster no longer has limits in terms of size, but you still have to be 100% cap compliant.

 

[LT]

You can only go over the cap because of bonuses. If multiple players are hurt and you have used all of your LTIR space, you can't just add that to next season. You won't be able to call anyone up and you play with less than 20 players on game day until someone gets healthy. Yes the roster no longer has limits in terms of size, but you still have to be 100% cap compliant.

This is only for the regular season after the trade deadline, correct?

I thought the playoffs had different rules (e.g. Kane getting hurt before the deadline and not returning until the playoffs several years ago, which opened the door for Chicago to add a big cap-hit/fish - I think they added Vermette that year).

 

[BigG44]

Yes. That only applies until the end of the regular season. When the playoffs start, you are no longer required to be cap compliant. That's why you can add so many Black Aces.

This is what Toronto is facing with Reilly. The belief is he won't be hurt until the end of the season so they can't rely on LTIR. You can't fake it either. The NHL has the right to investigate a claim that a player requires LTIR. I'm sure you could try and do it, and maybe a few days wouldn't matter, but you're not going to get away with weeks. If the injury isn't going to legitimately take the player off the table until the playoffs start, their LTIR space doesn't matter in any way regarding acquisition space. It only helps you call up other players until they are healthy.

 

[LT]

Yea, Rielly's supposed to be back in March, so he'll get at least a couple weeks of the regular season in. Things change, though.

 

[BigG44]

That's the thing that sucks for Toronto. A set back could easily happen. If it happens after February 24th, you get nothing out of it.

 

[Smelling Salt]

To make the math easier ... just being lazy ... if Hanzal was traded yesterday and Dallas didn't add a player until the TDL, the prorated cap space would allow Dallas to add a player or players with $9,618,748 in cap hits.

That number goes down extremely fast every day. Say Hanzal was traded in just over 2 weeks on 2/1. The prorated space would drop to a player or players with a cap hit of $7.6 million.

1 week before the TDL .... drops to $5.58 million.

The only way to make this actually work is to preemptively trade Hanzal and HOPE that you land a big fish. The more logical and less costly decision is to add assets if you actually land a bigger fish to get the other team to retain. There's no need for cap gymnastics, and you can still add any player. You might pay a premium to trade Hanzal and still not get the guy you want.

Retained salary is really the only way to go. It also means that it doesn't matter if the trade happened tomorrow or at the TDL. Multiple injuries though could be a major problem so it's not like this is ideal either. Even financially, doing nothing or adding a small cap hit makes the most sense even if it is technically possible to go big game fishing.

You can only go over the cap because of bonuses. If multiple players are hurt and you have used all of your LTIR space, you can't just add that to next season. You won't be able to call anyone up and you play with less than 20 players on game day until someone gets healthy. Yes the roster no longer has limits in terms of size, but you still have to be 100% cap compliant.

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[Sports2]

So theyre already low on assets and then they’ll pay to get rid of Hanzal so they can pay again?