30+ Goals and 200+ PIMS
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BubbaBoot
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Actually it's more 15/150 nowadays.
There were 32 instances of 30/200 in 17 years.
Since that last time that happened (1996/97), there have been only 21 instances of players going equal or more than 15/150.
No one has come close to a 30/200 season.
[20/150 club]
Keith Tkachuk 36/151 (98/99)
David Backes 31/165 (08/09)
Alex Burrows 28 /150 (08/09)
Scott Mellanby 26/150 (02/03)
Theo Fleury 24/216 (01/02) ---- [20/200 club]
Scott Hartnell 24/159 (07/08)
Brenden Morrow 23/183 (05/06)
Steve Downie 22/208 (09/10) ---- [20/200 club]
Steve Ott 22/153 (09/10)
Darcy Tucker 21/176 (98/99)
Darcy Tucker 21/163 (99/00)
[15/150 club]
Sean Avery 18/174 (06/07)
Chris Simon 17/250 (03/04)
Dion Phaneuf 17/182 (07/08)
David Clarkson 17/164 (08/09)
Chris Neil 16/204 (05/06)
Matthew Barnaby 16/157 (03/04)
Sean Avery 15/257 (05/06)
Tie Domi 15/171 (02/03)
Sean Avery 15/154 (07/08)
Cody McLeod 15/162 (08/09)
Todd Bertuzzi had a 46/144 in (02/03)
Bill Guerin had a 40/140 in (00/01)
No one has had a 15/150 in the last 2 seasons.
(2011/12)
Chris Neil 13/178
Steve Downie 14/137
Milan Lucic 26/135
David Clarkson 30/138
Scott Hartnell 37/136
(2010/11)
Brandon Prust 13/160
Steve Ott 12/183
Scott Hartnell 24/142
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SealsFan
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Bubba already mentioned two candidates from the Seals, in back-to-back seasons they had Vadnais at 24/212 and Dennis Hextall at 21/217. Both were the only 200 PM seasons for these players although Hextall came close again with 195 PM for 77-78 Detroit.
An interesting way to look at this is to change it to 60+ points and 200+ penalty minutes for defensemen.
The three most dominant defensemen of all time have to be (in chronological order); Behn Wilson, Scott Stevens, and Chris Chelios...
Behn Wilson 80/81 63 pts 237 pims.
Scott Stevens 84/85 65 pts 221 pims
Scott Stevens 86/87 61 pts 283 pims
Scott Stevens 88/89 68 pts 225 pims
Chris Chelios 92/93 73 pts 282 pims
Chris Chelios 93/94 60 pts 212 pims
I've never seen any other defensemen get 60+ points and 200+ penalty minutes. (That is a very impressive group of 3)
The only defenseman to come close since;
Dion Phaneuf 07/08 60 pts 183 pims
(So he is the 4th most dominant defensemen ever in my opinion)
Its a shame "great defensemen" have really just turned into a backseat forwards, like Erik Karlsson, Brent Burns, or Victor Hedman. They show they can get 60 points regularly. But they aren't even cracking the 50 penalty mark, let alone the 100 mark. God forbid the 200 mark.
Hockey has become soft.
Only one payer, literally only one player, in the 17/18 season got over 200 penalty minutes, Michael Haley, and he only has 25 points in all 8 seasons.
The day a player who can get 60+ points and 200+ minutes comes back, I think the game is in for quite a shock.
People talk about Chara and Byfuglien like they're monsters.
Zedeno Chara 07/08 51 pts 114 pims
Dustin Byfuglien 15/16 53pts 119 pims
I wanna see the reactions to a real monster.
The three most dominant defensemen of all time have to be (in chronological order); Behn Wilson, Scott Stevens, and Chris Chelios...
Behn Wilson 80/81 63 pts 237 pims.
Scott Stevens 84/85 65 pts 221 pims
Scott Stevens 86/87 61 pts 283 pims
Scott Stevens 88/89 68 pts 225 pims
Chris Chelios 92/93 73 pts 282 pims
Chris Chelios 93/94 60 pts 212 pims
I've never seen any other defensemen get 60+ points and 200+ penalty minutes. (That is a very impressive group of 3)
The only defenseman to come close since;
Dion Phaneuf 07/08 60 pts 183 pims
(So he is the 4th most dominant defensemen ever in my opinion)
Its a shame "great defensemen" have really just turned into a backseat forwards, like Erik Karlsson, Brent Burns, or Victor Hedman. They show they can get 60 points regularly. But they aren't even cracking the 50 penalty mark, let alone the 100 mark. God forbid the 200 mark.
Hockey has become soft.
Only one payer, literally only one player, in the 17/18 season got over 200 penalty minutes, Michael Haley, and he only has 25 points in all 8 seasons.
The day a player who can get 60+ points and 200+ minutes comes back, I think the game is in for quite a shock.
People talk about Chara and Byfuglien like they're monsters.
Zedeno Chara 07/08 51 pts 114 pims
Dustin Byfuglien 15/16 53pts 119 pims
I wanna see the reactions to a real monster.
The Panther
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I still think the most remarkable (not the same as "best") season by a tough guy with some skill is Bob Probert in 1987-88.
He missed 6 games and need only 1 more goal to hit 30. His PPG that season was higher than Petr Klima's and about the same as Adam Oates'. His plus/minus was 4th-best among Wings' forwards. He had only two fewer even-strength assists than Yzerman.
What's so particularly remarkable about all this? 398 penalty-minutes, 1st in the NHL. Yes, in the 'goon' era, he led the League in penalty-minutes and was 9th in All-Star voting for his position.
On top of all that, Probert -- without Yzerman in the line-up -- then led the Wings in scoring through their strong '88 playoff run, with 21 points in 16 playoff games (+8), including 8 goals.
So, in fact, by cheating a bit and adding his first six playoff games to his total (to make a full season's 80 games), we can see that Probert put up 32 goals and 72 points in 80 games, while amassing 419 penalty minutes.
Ridiculous.
(Having said that, I've never forgiven the late Probert for his unsportsmanlike and vicious cross-check to Jari Kurri's back after Kurri scored in game three or four at the Joe.)
He missed 6 games and need only 1 more goal to hit 30. His PPG that season was higher than Petr Klima's and about the same as Adam Oates'. His plus/minus was 4th-best among Wings' forwards. He had only two fewer even-strength assists than Yzerman.
What's so particularly remarkable about all this? 398 penalty-minutes, 1st in the NHL. Yes, in the 'goon' era, he led the League in penalty-minutes and was 9th in All-Star voting for his position.
On top of all that, Probert -- without Yzerman in the line-up -- then led the Wings in scoring through their strong '88 playoff run, with 21 points in 16 playoff games (+8), including 8 goals.
So, in fact, by cheating a bit and adding his first six playoff games to his total (to make a full season's 80 games), we can see that Probert put up 32 goals and 72 points in 80 games, while amassing 419 penalty minutes.
Ridiculous.
(Having said that, I've never forgiven the late Probert for his unsportsmanlike and vicious cross-check to Jari Kurri's back after Kurri scored in game three or four at the Joe.)
Tom Wilson came the closest this year with 14/187.
He might be the last best hope for a 15/150 or a 20/200 season now that he's on the top line for the foreseeable future.
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GMR
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I remember really pulling for Verbeek to become the only guy to score 500 goals and have 3,000 PIM. Alas, he just fell short of the latter.
ForsbergForever
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I'd say he's a better candidate for 20/150, if he can stay on the top line and clean up his game a bit. If he's running around enough to get 200 PIMs there's no way he scores 15+ with the way the game is played today.
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