Proposal: 3 way Canadian deal TOR-VAN-CGY

[Liferleafer]

it's not 100% for sure but it is likely that Borgman will have a much better career play more games per year, out score, out block and out hit Tanev

so no, and double no to the 1st

Lol....

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Toronto: Tanev

Calgary: Pick 25, SJ 2018 3rd (Via Toronto)

Vancouver: S.Bennett, A.Borgman, M.Mcdonald


Leafs get a partner for rielly, Flames move into the 1st rd, nucks get 3 young guys with upside (Borgman being the oldest, turned 23 today)

I'd do it if one of Bokk or Kaut is still available at that point.

 

[CP4]

Lmao I've seen the OP talk lots about how he doesn't want to trade for Tanev because of "muh injuries", yet here he is with this horrible offer where the Canucks lose by a mile. Real surprising.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Is there really any Flames fan that wants to trade Bennett for a late first rounder? Doesn't tempt me at all.

Even if he never improves and never gets consistent I'd rather keep him. I am happy to gamble he will pull it all together in the next two years but there's worse things to have than an entertaining 3rd liner that once every 15 or 20 games is the best player on the ice.

A 10% chance of getting Pastrnak isn't worth it.

I would if Bokk or Kaut is still available, people really don't understand the potential and help they'd bring for the Flames.

 

[Nervousbreakdown]

Or leave the Flames out and Toronto sends 1st+2nd+2nd/Carrick/Bracco for Tanev.

Thats an over payment for a defenseman who cant play a full season.

 

[Liferleafer]

Thats an over payment for a defenseman who cant play a full season.

It's a base just like the Hamonic deal. If we could get him cheaper...great, but he is the ideal partner for Rielly. The injuries, yup...they are concerning.

 

[elitepete]

Toronto: Tanev

Calgary: Pick 25, SJ 2018 3rd (Via Toronto)

Vancouver: S.Bennett, A.Borgman, M.Mcdonald


Leafs get a partner for rielly, Flames move into the 1st rd, nucks get 3 young guys with upside (Borgman being the oldest, turned 23 today)

Canucks get fleeced. Throw this one into the trash.

 

[Volica]

I would if Bokk or Kaut is still available, people really don't understand the potential and help they'd bring for the Flames.

Both those guys strike me as a 'man I hope these guys are like Sam Bennett'.

 

[therealkoho]

Lol....

no joke my friend, Borgman is for real

tanev is so over-rated it's criminal, he's been sold as a first pairing guy which he is not

he was in the Nux first pair because of injury and having no other choices, kinda like when Boz was the Leafs first line centre

 

[Shanejones]

no joke my friend, Borgman is for real

tanev is so over-rated it's criminal, he's been sold as a first pairing guy which he is not

he was in the Nux first pair because of injury and having no other choices, kinda like when Boz was the Leafs first line centre

 

[CP4]

no joke my friend, Borgman is for real

tanev is so over-rated it's criminal, he's been sold as a first pairing guy which he is not

he was in the Nux first pair because of injury and having no other choices, kinda like when Boz was the Leafs first line centre

If Tanev is so over-rated then why does it seem every leafs fan wants him?

 

[Namikaze Minato]

If Tanev is so over-rated then why does it seem every leafs fan wants him?

We don’t. I would take a chance on him for very little (conditional first round pick, drops a round every 10 games missed for injury) but he’s nowhere near my first 5 choices or maybe even 10 choices.

 

[Brobust]

Pass. I'd rather keep Bennett than some magic bean that will most likely as best be what we already have in Bennett.

What exactly do you think you have in Bennett?

 

[Lunatik]

What exactly do you think you have in Bennett?

Reliable 3rd line winger that brings energy, creates scoring chances, plays physical and still has potential to improve. I'm one of Bennett's biggest critics on the Flames board, but there is literally no reason to trade him for anything less than a top 15 pick.

Before you (or others) starting whining and complaining about that statement, I am not suggesting anyone will give up a pick that high, in fact, I think it is extremely unlikely. But then again a current NHL GM did give up Picks #16 and #33 for Griffin Reinhard just 3 years ago, so you never know.

 

[therealkoho]

If Tanev is so over-rated then why does it seem every leafs fan wants him?

I'm a Leafs fan and I definitely do not want him, I can't speak for the rest of Leafs Nation, but I'm positive there is a large number who also do not want this guy

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Both those guys strike me as a 'man I hope these guys are like Sam Bennett'.

lol what? Nobody is hoping for a 25 point forward in the first round

 

[Volica]

lol what? Nobody is hoping for a 25 point forward in the first round

I love when you can tell someone doesn't even watch a team, but acts like an expert. Next.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I love when you can tell someone doesn't even watch a team, but acts like an expert. Next.

I love when you can tell that someone's a ridiculous homer and believe anyone would be envious of a 25 point forward. Just because Calgary blew a first rounder (a top 4 pick no less) on him doesn't mean other teams are hoping to do the same

 

[Lunatik]

I love when you can tell that someone's a ridiculous homer and believe anyone would be envious of a 25 point forward. Just because Calgary blew a first rounder (a top 4 pick no less) on him doesn't mean other teams are hoping to do the same

The only people hung up on Bennett's draft position are posters like you. No Flames fan will deny he hasn't lived up to draft position.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

The only people hung up on Bennett's draft position are posters like you. No Flames fan will deny he hasn't lived up to draft position.

well that Flames fan seems to think he's the ideal first round talent that teams hope for, which is not accurate. he wouldn't be the worst player to get late in the first, but he's not anyone's dream player at that spot either

 

[Lunatik]

well that Flames fan seems to think he's the ideal first round talent that teams hope for, which is not accurate. he wouldn't be the worst player to get late in the first, but he's not anyone's dream player at that spot either

He said nothing of the sort. He said the players mentioned seem to be the kind of guys that are more likely to end up as 3rd liners, which is what Bennett is now. Really wasn't hard to understand the guy if you took a moment and actually read his post.

 

[Volica]

well that Flames fan seems to think he's the ideal first round talent that teams hope for, which is not accurate. he wouldn't be the worst player to get late in the first, but he's not anyone's dream player at that spot either

Never said that.
But if you followed along with the discussion beforehand, and your reading comp level was passable, you could see that in the 20's in most drafts you have a more than likely chance at picking someone who will be sub-par to Bennett.

Guys clearly better than Bennett by draft year:
2010: Coyle, Hayes; and a quick hitter neither had Bennett's NHL success at his current age.
2011: Rakkell, Murphy (maybe? not even)
2012: Pearson (maybe?), Maatta (Maybe?)
2013: Theodore, Burakovsky (ish), Matha
2014: Pasta
2015: Boeser

So, out of 66 guys a season, 11 guys better or similar to Sam. So Calgary should certainly move a guy who's shown flashes of greatness for a 16.7% chance at getting someone similar to him or better, or a 10.6% chance at someone who is clearly better than him or a 3% at someone's who elite?

 

[rent free]

Never said that.
But if you followed along with the discussion beforehand, and your reading comp level was passable, you could see that in the 20's in most drafts you have a more than likely chance at picking someone who will be sub-par to Bennett.

Guys clearly better than Bennett by draft year:
2010: Coyle, Hayes; and a quick hitter neither had Bennett's NHL success at his current age.
2011: Rakkell, Murphy (maybe? not even)
2012: Pearson (maybe?), Maatta (Maybe?)
2013: Theodore, Burakovsky (ish), Matha
2014: Pasta
2015: Boeser

So, out of 66 guys a season, 11 guys better or similar to Sam. So Calgary should certainly move a guy who's shown flashes of greatness for a 16.7% chance at getting someone similar to him or better, or a 10.6% chance at someone who is clearly better than him or a 3% at someone's who elite?

there are many more people better than bennett that you didn't include in those draft years

 

[Volica]

He said nothing of the sort. He said the players mentioned seem to be the kind of guys that are more likely to end up as 3rd liners, which is what Bennett is now. Really wasn't hard to understand the guy if you took a moment and actually read his post.

f***, what world am I living in these days?
On one thread an Oiler fan is defending the Flames, and in this one you're backing me up . I don't even know what the next step is here.

 

[Volica]

there are many more people better than bennett that you didn't include in those draft years

In 2010 I missed Kuz and Nelson by accident. Whoops and Brady Skjei in 2012
After that? That's all debatable.