GDT: 2023 Stanley Cup Playoffs

[TheHudlinator]

The worst trade in NHL history.

Brad Treliving if you were publicly executed I would drop everything to attend

It's not even Treliving's worst trade

 

[Dack]

It’s actually crazy that we chose to build around Monahan. I still can’t believe that

If the Flames realized what Monny was and sold high on him things could have gone differently... could have gone better.

Goddamn do I wish we had Matthew Tkachuk

Treliving should get his name on the cup if they beat Vegas.

2022 Playoff Tkachuk:

Basically an enforcer/powerplay specialist, actually played well in 2 games.

2023 Playoff Tkachuk:

A dominant unicorn with the clutch gene of Marty Gelinas.

I was completely fine with trading him, I just wanted the trade to trigger a rebuild in the strongest draft since 2015 lmao. In that scenario I'd have no sour grapes, instead Tkachuk is a potential Conn Smythe winner and Huberdeau set a record for season to season fall off and is signed for an eternity.

Treliving (under the direction of ownership) decided to turn us into a retirement home like Pittsburgh or Washington without the cups.

 

[Bounces R Way]

2022 Playoff Tkachuk:

Basically an enforcer/powerplay specialist, actually played well in 2 games.

2023 Playoff Tkachuk:

A dominant unicorn with the clutch gene of Marty Gelinas.

See my thing with that is that he is 25 years old. Give him some time FFS. I wonder how many posters here would have shit on Iggy for fighting in the playoffs if he had busted his hand.

He wasn't great or even good in the Oiler series but on the reasons we lost I don't think he was top 5. Markstrom sieving out, Hanifin-Andersson blowing chunks, Darryl for whatever reason deciding we should play run and gun against the McDavid Oilers, and the Tanev injury I'd put above his performance.

I was completely fine with trading him, I just wanted the trade to trigger a rebuild in the strongest draft since 2015 lmao. In that scenario I'd have no sour grapes, instead Tkachuk is a potential Conn Smythe winner and Huberdeau set a record for season to season fall off and is signed for an eternity.

I was not fine with trading him but since we didn't have an option I thought Tre did ok considering. Rebuild was the obvious option but c'mon, never really on the table was it with this franchise.

Treliving (under the direction of ownership) decided to turn us into a retirement home like Pittsburgh or Washington without the cups.

Eh that's a little much. They wanted a competitive team and really even with all the things that went horribly wrong this year they almost got one. I think with some good youth added and some savvy mgmt in the next cpl years there's still a path to contend.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Tkachuk 2 goals including GWG
Lomberg big goal
Bennett devastating hit taking out Carolinas best dman.

What do they have in common?

They’re three of my favourite ex-Flames.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Brad had 2 trades for Matty, a futures trade and a hockey trade, ownership signed off on the hockey trade. You cant blame for that. Tkachuk wanted to go to a select few teams, Brad was given his marching orders from ownership to get the best hockey deal possible and thats what Brad did. Also Tkachuk was nowhere near as impactful for the Flames in the playoffs. If he was this good, a year ago, maybe the Flames dont lost to the Oilers. At least that round would of been a series.

 

[Kranix]

Cup finals are going to feature two star players Brad was a bridesmaid on, and two star players he traded away.

 

[Kranix]

All you can do is laugh I guess at the two highest ever flames draft picks in their prime leading another team to the finals

 

[DCDM]

All you can do is laugh I guess at the two highest ever flames draft picks in their prime leading another team to the finals

If you don't laugh it just seems sad.

Experience Flames hockey tho

 

[Dack]

See my thing with that is that he is 25 years old. Give him some time FFS. I wonder how many posters here would have shit on Iggy for fighting in the playoffs if he had busted his hand.

He wasn't great or even good in the Oiler series but on the reasons we lost I don't think he was top 5. Markstrom sieving out, Hanifin-Andersson blowing chunks, Darryl for whatever reason deciding we should play run and gun against the McDavid Oilers, and the Tanev injury I'd put above his performance.




I was not fine with trading him but since we didn't have an option I thought Tre did ok considering. Rebuild was the obvious option but c'mon, never really on the table was it with this franchise.


Eh that's a little much. They wanted a competitive team and really even with all the things that went horribly wrong this year they almost got one. I think with some good youth added and some savvy mgmt in the next cpl years there's still a path to contend.

I get he was young but he also fought in 3 straight games (or 3 in 4 or something). Everyone likes a star player who's willing to drop their gloves but that was absolutely ridiculous, I can't really blame the injury when it was entirely self-inflicted.

I don't know, if we had this year's Tkachuk last year at the very least the series doesn't end in 5 but otherwise I agree. Markstrom playing like a shooter tutor in game 1 and early game 2 left the Flames thinking they couldn't allow anything and the Oilers feeling confident. They played prevent defense and let the Oilers dictate play for the rest of the series. Shoutout to Hanifin-Andersson as well who did their best to make sure we never even made it to that point and then finished the job in round 2.

I'm really unsure about a viable contention window at this point. It definitely could be done but it's going to take some really strong GMing. Team needs to get younger, faster, more skilled and doesn't have a tonne of money to work with. If the Flames extend more than like 2 of their pending 6 UFAs or allow a few of them to walk for nothing it will only get even harder. As it stands they look to be in the Minnesota tier to me.

 

[Mobiandi]

Shoutout to Hanifin-Andersson

Their -4 performance in game 5 was something to behold

 

[Iggys Dome]

Their -4 performance in game 5 was something to behold

Hanifin is not a top pairing d man. He’s a #3 or 4. I really wish we didn’t let Valimaki go so Hanifin would be more expendable

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Hanifin is not a top pairing d man. He’s a #3 or 4. I really wish we didn’t let Valimaki go so Hanifin would be more expendable

Name one team in the league with two defencemen better than Hanifin.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Name one team in the league with two defencemen better than Hanifin.

Calgary.

 

[Iggys Dome]

Name one team in the league with two defencemen better than Hanifin.

Boston, Vegas, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Colorado, NYR, NYI, Nashville…

 

[Iggys Dome]

Calgary.

Unironically, this. Weegar, Tanev, Anderson & Kylington are all superior to Hanifin as defensemen.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Remind me in 9 years when Hanifin is still playing top pair on another team to make fun of you guys for the takes about him the last few years.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Boston, Vegas, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Colorado, NYR, NYI, Nashville…

Boston: McCavoy is better. Lindholm had a better year but that’s been the first time in 3 seasons.

Vegas: Pietrangelo is better. Who else? Theodore is pretty comparable imo.

Carolina: Slavin is better. Who else? Burns had a better year but I’m taking hanifin all day.

Tampa: Sure he would be a 3 on that team.

Colorado: Pretty comparable to Toews if you ask me.

NYR: is trouba really that much better than Hanifin? I don’t see it.

NYI: Pelech, pulock, Dobson. Who of that group can you say with a straight face is better than Hanifin?

Nashville: McDonagh, Barrie? This one is embaressing.

Honestly the only team that he for sure would be a 3 on is Tampa.

And no, Tanev and Kylington are not better than Hanifin. That’s an embarrassing take.

Hanifin is probably somewhere around the 35th best d in the league. If that isn’t a top pair guy I don’t know what is.

 

[cheechoo]

It's not even Treliving's worst trade

Easily his worst and impactful trade of the lot by miles. It hurts, but you can survive with wasting mid 1st round draft capital on a total anchor like Travis Hamonic.

Losing a young 25 year old superstar forward like Matthew Tkachuk because you wouldn't commit to him long term at the end of his ELC will haunt this franchise for the next 10 years.

And not only did you totally mishandle the situation, but you traded him for a post-apex forward on the decline and then committed max money to him for the next 8 years.

It's franchise altering. Tkachuk had all time great Flame potential. What an embarrassment.

 

[TheHudlinator]

Easily his worst and impactful trade of the lot by miles. It hurts, but you can survive with wasting mid 1st round draft capital on a total anchor like Travis Hamonic.

Losing a young 25 year old superstar forward like Matthew Tkachuk because you wouldn't commit to him long term at the end of his ELC will haunt this franchise for the next 10 years.

And not only did you totally mishandle the situation, but you traded him for a post-apex forward on the decline and then committed max money to him for the next 8 years.

It's franchise altering. Tkachuk had all time great Flame potential. What an embarrassment.

I gotta argue that Bennett for a second is significantly worse, as Huberdeau and Weeger are both impactful players when their coach uses them. Not to mention Tkachuk wanted out and only had a few teams he was willing to go to, in terms of value the return for Tkachuk was significantly better then for Bennett, add in the fact Tkachuk was terrible in the playoffs for us were as playoff sam bennett was a frequent talking point in this board.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Boston: McCavoy is better. Lindholm had a better year but that’s been the first time in 3 seasons.

Vegas: Pietrangelo is better. Who else? Theodore is pretty comparable imo.

Carolina: Slavin is better. Who else? Burns had a better year but I’m taking hanifin all day.

Tampa: Sure he would be a 3 on that team.

Colorado: Pretty comparable to Toews if you ask me.

NYR: is trouba really that much better than Hanifin? I don’t see it.

NYI: Pelech, pulock, Dobson. Who of that group can you say with a straight face is better than Hanifin?

Nashville: McDonagh, Barrie? This one is embaressing.

Honestly the only team that he for sure would be a 3 on is Tampa.

And no, Tanev and Kylington are not better than Hanifin. That’s an embarrassing take.

Hanifin is probably somewhere around the 35th best d in the league. If that isn’t a top pair guy I don’t know what is.

No lol Toews is in a different league. Hanifin would be third best on Avs.

 

[Backlund]

Remind me in 9 years when Hanifin is still playing top pair on another team to make fun of you guys for the takes about him the last few years.

In 9 years? I'll take that bet.

 

[DFF]

Name one team in the league with two defencemen better than Hanifin.

Makar and Toews
Mcavoy and Lindholm
Fox and Trouba
Slavin, Burns/Pesce
Pietreangelo and Theodore
Hedman and Sergachev
Chabot Chychrun
Dahlin Power
Ekblad Montour

I can probably go on

More importantly, Hanifin choked on important games. Dude is the opposite of Sam Bennett. What he showed in the Oilers series was one of the all time embarrassment.

Treliving chose to go with guy like Hanifin and Lindholm instead of Tkachuk and Bennett is the reason he is no longer with the Flames

 

[cheechoo]

I gotta argue that Bennett for a second is significantly worse, as Huberdeau and Weeger are both impactful players when their coach uses them. Not to mention Tkachuk wanted out and only had a few teams he was willing to go to, in terms of value the return for Tkachuk was significantly better then for Bennett, add in the fact Tkachuk was terrible in the playoffs for us were as playoff sam bennett was a frequent talking point in this board.

Tkachuk wanted out because we didn't commit to him. He should have never been bridged to begin with. This is a non-factor if he's given an 8 year deal.

Bennett trade was also unforgivable.

Treliving wasn't good at his job.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Tkachuk 2 goals including GWG
Lomberg big goal
Bennett devastating hit taking out Carolinas best dman.

What do they have in common?

Their last initials form BLT like the sandwich

 

[Fig]

All you can do is laugh I guess at the two highest ever flames draft picks in their prime leading another team to the finals

As opposed to a non-drafted Flames helping to prevent us from winning a cup?

It comes with the territory of being a Flames fan I guess. We're cursed somehow. At least we have some interesting stuff to pay attention to for the finals, even if we're not in it.

If the Panthers win, I think I will need to go out and get some Panther swag of some sort.