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Mike Gillis poured his heart and soul into developing Steve Bernier, Mason Raymond ,Brendan Gaunce and Zack Kassian. You cant get blood from a stone.
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Brookbank
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And speaking of turning 'blood' into 'stones'.....all the 'player development' in the world wouldn't have helped Nicklas Jenson; Taylor Ellington; Patrick White; Alex Mallet; Alex Grenier or Patrick McNally make an impact on the Canucks.
And even high picks like Michael Grabner and Cody Hodgson only got better after they left Vancouver.
Using Craig Button's rankings as your argument works against you lmao.
This draft, with the exception of Brzustewicz and Willander (Would've preferred Benson, but doesn't make this a bad pick - just not BPA), has been a disaster.
Nothing that happens after the 3rd round is ever a 'disaster'. Rounds 4-7 basically don't matter and the team could draft Allvin's grandparents and it wouldn't really change much.
5 years from now there will be 1 or 2 players out of the 130 selected in those rounds who actually move the needle.
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Pretty big exception there don't yah think?
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Yes it does lmao - you’re taking guys with those picks that you could sign as UFAs instead of getting some actual kids that have potential who you skipped on drafting to take overagers with bad production.
If you’re not giving yourself a realistic chance you’re don’t even have a chance at getting that needle mover - for a team with the prospect pipe line we have it’s asinine to try to justify those picks as “rounds 4-7 basically don’t matter”.
I mean sure, but at that point if you’re going to f*** around and throw away picks consolidate them and try to see if a team will give up a higher pick in exchange for a package of lower picks - literally anything other than what we did. Don’t love the Willander pick either because we definitely drafted for needs over BPA there.
Not defending this draft based on the development argument, but just wanted to point out that because our development likely was done poorly under previous management, doesn't mean that development doesn't work if done right. I do like moving the team to Abbotsford and the investment of top talent to surround our prospects and hopefully this results in better development than previous regimes, because I do think that development WHEN DONE RIGHT can make a big difference.
Yeah, I think it was Granato who made a comment that after some point if they've drafted too many of a type or position then they'll look to do something different, but I'd just rather (after the first three rounds) make big swings for pure upside. The odds of getting anything useful after the first three rounds are so small you're dealing with lottery ticket odds, so might as well swing for the fences.
The first few rounds I do think the idea of a reasonable floor should be factored in, especially the first, since you can't afford to walk away these days with nothing and only 1st's generally have good odds of amounting to anything.
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Yeah like I said before I don't really follow the prospects but from you guy's posts and some external articles it seems like they are reaching for weird players, not swinging for the fences which I agree they should be doing.
Signing them as a UFA takes up a contract slot though. By selecting their rights, we get an exclusive 2 year (or in the case of the NCAA bound guys, up to 4 year) look at how they develop before determining whether to use up one of our 50 contracts.
It would be a lot different if they were taking CHL double overagers who have no other alternative but to go pro in some form and would need a contract almost immediately to do so.
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It doesn’t matter.
95% of the value you get from the draft is in the first 3 rounds.
Saying that you like the high picks but the draft is a ‘disaster’ because you don’t like the later ones is just nonsensical.
The majority of people here have never seen any of these picks play and they are relying on the opinion of local media types who have never played a sport in their lives but are hockey experts. Sounds normal for this fanbase.
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Har har. Everyone has their critics.
But all I was basing it on was his record on Virtanen and Joulevi. He had them both further down than most.
Judging the draft on the rounds that don't matter is rather funny.
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Obviously I hope that all of these draft-picks represent well but this draft after the first few picks does open up the mgmt. team to future criticisms. The value of picks 4 and on really don't look like "value" pics.
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I mean, it’s better to have that pick than not but the obsession than fans have with pick surpluses is totally out of whack with the actual impact.
And when you’re calling a draft a ‘disaster’ because of late picks, you’ve lost the plot.
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I think it will be less disappointing this way, than getting all the hyped players from all the armchair scouts in the later rounds that everyone watches closer than they should. Just to have them all fizzle out.
Now nobody has any expectations for these later round picks and we will forget about them. Let them pleasantly surprise us. We've had our share of BPA/fallers that burn us too. Like Schroeder.
Lind, Gadjovich, Depietro, and Rathbone. All hype picks from 2017. All armchair scout picks. None making a difference.
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Schenn was traded for a 3rd. MS commented on picks 4th round or later
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Literally only guy out there that had Willander that high, he also had asp at 5th
Thats why he is not a gm anymore
Not that I do like Willander, but Benson was a better pick …. Take the best player available
By the way, follow Bob McKenzie’s picks
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