WJC: 2023 Germany Roster Talk

[Maverick41]

With the summer edition over for Team Germany let's take a look at what the team in December could look like.
I thought about a couple of different approaches, but no matter how you look at it, it is going to be a significantly weaker team than the one we just watched.

These are the guys I would probably pick right now if they are all available and in game shape (I went with 13 F and 9 D). But a lot can still change.

Pos	Player	Year
G	Nikita Quapp	2003​
G	Simon Wolf	2004​
G	Philipp Dietl	2004​
D	Rayan Bettahar	2004​
D	Nils Elten	2003​
D	Markus Freis	2003​
D	Niklas Hörmann	2003​
D	Niklas Hübner	2004​
D	Adrian Klein	2003​
D	Maxim Rausch	2003​
D	Edwin Tropmann	2005​
D	Julian Wäser	2003​
F	Sebastian Cimmerman	2003​
F	Ryan Del Monte	2003​
F	Hakon Hänelt	2003​
F	Luca Hauf	2004​
F	Nikolaus Heigl	2003​
F	Thomas Heigl	2003​
F	Roman Kechter	2004​
F	Connor Korte	2003​
F	Julian Lutz	2004​
F	Kevin Niedenz	2003​
F	Yannick Proske	2003​
F	Bennet Roßmy	2003​
F	Roman Zap	2003​

If I had one additional spot it would go to Veit Oswald.

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[canucklax]

Team looks solid in net and a good group of forwards for what the expectations are for Germany, but that defense is pretty anonymous. Just have to beat Austria to have a successful tournament but they have a wildcard in Kasper

 

[GermanSpitfire]

It looks to be a rough year me thinks. All we need is a win verse Austria.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

With the summer edition over for Team Germany let's take a look at what the team in December could look like.
I thought about a couple of different approaches, but no matter how you look at it, it is going to be a significantly weaker team than the one we just watched.

These are the guys I would probably pick right now if they are all available and in game shape (I went with 13 F and 9 D). But a lot can still change.

Pos	Player	Year
G	Nikita Quapp	2003​
G	Simon Wolf	2004​
G	Philipp Dietl	2004​
D	Rayan Bettahar	2004​
D	Nils Elten	2003​
D	Markus Freis	2003​
D	Niklas Hörmann	2003​
D	Niklas Hübner	2004​
D	Adrian Klein	2003​
D	Maxim Rausch	2003​
D	Edwin Tropmann	2005​
D	Julian Wäser	2003​
F	Sebastian Cimmerman	2003​
F	Ryan Del Monte	2003​
F	Hakon Hänelt	2003​
F	Luca Hauf	2004​
F	Nikolaus Heigl	2003​
F	Thomas Heigl	2003​
F	Roman Kechter	2004​
F	Connor Korte	2003​
F	Julian Lutz	2004​
F	Kevin Niedenz	2003​
F	Yannick Proske	2003​
F	Bennet Roßmy	2003​
F	Roman Zap	2003​

If I had one additional spot it would go to Veit Oswald.

Wonderful take, as always.

Re: Goaltending
I think you're spot on. Can't imagine any other constellation at this point.

Re: Defense
I believe van der Linde is still eligible, so I'm not sure if you purposely left him our of the group of what is admittedly a very modest defensive unit?

It'll definitely be fascinating to see how Freis, Hörmann, and Rausch present themselves this fall.

And although I'd love to see a Tropmann or even Paul Mayer bring their names into the conversation, I get the feeling that the DEB tends to go with the older guys whenever possible. Can naturally change at any time.

Re: Forwards
Can't argue with your forward group, even if I can see Korte and Nap being left out of the equation, depending on fall happenings.

Oswald and maybe even M. Elias, Rollinger, Krening, and Hördler could worm their way into the discussion with noticeable falls.

And as usual, someone will come out of the woodwork to make the winter team. Almost always happens. I really thought Bicker was noticeable at the Hlinka Gretzky Cup and if Sumpf and Vinzenz find themselves contributing in the AlpsHL (not a given), that could make things interesting.

I agree though, it's a blessing that Austria is in the same group, because that's the only real path to a playoff spot this winter. And that's if Kasper and Rohrer aren't a part of this thing. Even the Czechs can bring back like 16 or 19 players, and have kids like Salé who weren't even there in this summer edition, so they're gonna be real tough to beat in group play.

 

[Maverick41]

Wonderful take, as always.

Re: Goaltending
I think you're spot on. Can't imagine any other constellation at this point.

Re: Defense
I believe van der Linde is still eligible, so I'm not sure if you purposely left him our of the group of what is admittedly a very modest defensive unit?

It'll definitely be fascinating to see how Freis, Hörmann, and Rausch present themselves this fall.

And although I'd love to see a Tropmann or even Paul Mayer bring their names into the conversation, I get the feeling that the DEB tends to go with the older guys whenever possible. Can naturally change at any time.

Re: Forwards
Can't argue with your forward group, even if I can see Korte and Nap being left out of the equation, depending on fall happenings.

Oswald and maybe even M. Elias, Rollinger, Krening, and Hördler could worm their way into the discussion with noticeable falls.

And as usual, someone will come out of the woodwork to make the winter team. Almost always happens. I really thought Bicker was noticeable at the Hlinka Gretzky Cup and if Sumpf and Vinzenz find themselves contributing in the AlpsHL (not a given), that could make things interesting.

I agree though, it's a blessing that Austria is in the same group, because that's the only real path to a playoff spot this winter. And that's if Kasper and Rohrer aren't a part of this thing. Even the Czechs can bring back like 16 or 19 players, and have kids like Salé who weren't even there in this summer edition, so they're gonna be real tough to beat in group play.

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Thanks for pointing out that I missed van der Linde. I must have been blind, when I looked through the 2003 dmen. I would have him in instead of one of Rausch, Wäser or Freis. At least at this point he would have to be a lock for a roster spot.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Thanks for pointing out that I missed van der Linde. I must have been blind, when I looked through the 2003 dmen. I would have him in instead of one of Rausch, Wäser or Freis. At least at this point he would have to be a lock for a roster spot.

At this point.

I consider him very replaceable if more Dmen step up to the plate.

Not unthinkable that a Kauhanen or even a Hafenrichter (who completely wakes up from whatever coma he has been in) could push his way onto the team by mid-December.

In fact, let's hope that kind of thing is the case, because right now I'm not seeing anyone who can truly replace Münzenberger, Szuber, and Glötzl at this point.

Bettahar will replace Münzenberger's physicality, but these three young men above have more game in all three zones than anyone remaining. We can only hope that Klein really learned a lot this summer while a guy like Hübner does a lot of maturing this fall. He has the same agent as Tobias Ancicka, so the move to Finland wasn't really surprising, but those 10 games with Ingolstadt ended any hopes of i.e. going a college route like Münzenberger. One could see his tools at the U18, even if they didn't lead to much in tangible results.

Otherwise, like you mentioned, maybe Tropmann or another 2005er is sooo good this fall that Abstreiter will have more options.

 

[Maverick41]

At this point.

I consider him very replaceable if more Dmen step up to the plate.

Not unthinkable that a Kauhanen or even a Hafenrichter (who completely wakes up from whatever coma he has been in) could push his way onto the team by mid-December.

In fact, let's hope that kind of thing is the case, because right now I'm not seeing anyone who can truly replace Münzenberger, Szuber, and Glötzl at this point.

Bettahar will replace Münzenberger's physicality, but these three young men above have more game in all three zones than anyone remaining. We can only hope that Klein really learned a lot this summer while a guy like Hübner does a lot of maturing this fall. He has the same agent as Tobias Ancicka, so the move to Finland wasn't really surprising, but those 10 games with Ingolstadt ended any hopes of i.e. going a college route like Münzenberger. One could see his tools at the U18, even if they didn't lead to much in tangible results.

Otherwise, like you mentioned, maybe Tropmann or another 2005er is sooo good this fall that Abstreiter will have more options.

The defense is definitely a problem. There are a lot of possible options, but unfortunately not because so many players are so good, but because almost none are.
Honestly the only ones I would have as average to above average are Klein, Bettahar and Hübner (but if he struggles in Finland his stock could drop), but as of right now, I have van der Linde and Elten as the next ones I would hand a spot to, after that it becomes a total crapshoot, some candidates including and beyond of the ones I listed in the OP are in my opinion:

2003:
Philipp Bidoul
Markus Freis
Niklas Hörmann
Sandro Mayr
Maxim Rausch
Felix Ribnitzky
Moritz Serikow
Julian Wäser
Marius Winkelmann
Kai Zernikel

2004:
Leo Hafenrichter
Jesse Kauhanen
Moritz Köttstorfer
Phillip Sinn
Jakob Weber

2005:
Edwin Tropmann
Paul Mayer
Lua Niehus

There are several candidates who will likely play most of their season in DEL2 this season
But even that list is by no means comprehensive (I have another 10-15 names of players that could possibly play themselves onto the roster)

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

The defense is definitely a problem. There are a lot of possible options, but unfortunately not because so many players are so good, but because almost none are.
Honestly the only ones I would have as average to above average are Klein, Bettahar and Hübner (but if he struggles in Finland his stock could drop), but as of right now, I have van der Linde and Elten as the next ones I would hand a spot to, after that it becomes a total crapshoot, some candidates including and beyond of the ones I listed in the OP are in my opinion:

2003:
Philipp Bidoul
Markus Freis
Niklas Hörmann
Sandro Mayr
Maxim Rausch
Felix Ribnitzky
Moritz Serikow
Julian Wäser
Marius Winkelmann
Kai Zernikel

2004:
Leo Hafenrichter
Jesse Kauhanen
Moritz Köttstorfer
Phillip Sinn
Jakob Weber

2005:
Edwin Tropmann
Paul Mayer
Lua Niehus

There are several candidates who will likely play most of their season in DEL2 this season
But even that list is by no means comprehensive (I have another 10-15 names of players that could possibly play themselves onto the roster)

Man oh man, I love your lists.

Let's hope a few of these names step up to the plate!

I've bolded the guys I personally see as being the most likely to do so, but the proof will definitely be in the pudding.

 

[kthomasf]

U20-Bundestrainer Tobias Abstreiter nominiert 26-köpfiges Aufgebot für WM-Vorbereitungsphase in Antigonish, Kanada - Deutscher Eishockey-Bund e. V.

Die deutsche U20-Nationalmannschaft bestreitet vom 13. bis 23. Dezember 2022 in Antigonish die Vorbereitungsphase zur bevorstehenden 2023

www.deb-online.de

Travel Roster released

 

[PanniniClaus]

The German team is in Antigonish this morning. Not sure if that is where they are having their camp. It may well be.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

The German team is in Antigonish this morning. Not sure if that is where they are having their camp. It may well be.

It is.

They'll be there right on up until the test games are over.

 

[PanniniClaus]

It is.

They'll be there right on up until the test games are over.

Is there practice itinerary listed anywhere? I'd like to catch some workouts.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Is there practice itinerary listed anywhere? I'd like to catch some workouts.

Haven't seen anything.

Maybe ask @deb_twitter per PM right at Twitter?

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

With the summer edition over for Team Germany let's take a look at what the team in December could look like.
I thought about a couple of different approaches, but no matter how you look at it, it is going to be a significantly weaker team than the one we just watched.

These are the guys I would probably pick right now if they are all available and in game shape (I went with 13 F and 9 D). But a lot can still change.

Pos	Player	Year
G	Nikita Quapp	2003​
G	Simon Wolf	2004​
G	Philipp Dietl	2004​
D	Rayan Bettahar	2004​
D	Nils Elten	2003​
D	Markus Freis	2003​
D	Niklas Hörmann	2003​
D	Niklas Hübner	2004​
D	Adrian Klein	2003​
D	Maxim Rausch	2003​
D	Edwin Tropmann	2005​
D	Julian Wäser	2003​
F	Sebastian Cimmerman	2003​
F	Ryan Del Monte	2003​
F	Hakon Hänelt	2003​
F	Luca Hauf	2004​
F	Nikolaus Heigl	2003​
F	Thomas Heigl	2003​
F	Roman Kechter	2004​
F	Connor Korte	2003​
F	Julian Lutz	2004​
F	Kevin Niedenz	2003​
F	Yannick Proske	2003​
F	Bennet Roßmy	2003​
F	Roman Zap	2003​

If I had one additional spot it would go to Veit Oswald.

Just wanted to revisit this as, well, you were basically hitting at a 80+% rate.

At this time, I do see the forward candidates on the current roster being more worthy than any of those above who are missing (namely Zap and Niedenz).

From a "prospects I'd like to see standpoint", I'd much rather see Tropmann and Hübner than a few of the guys currently under consideration on that blueline.

Also, Dietl would have been nice as one of the three goalies, but Quapp and Wold are at the top of that list, so the motivation for 3rd string candidates is often another for the coaches.

 

[Maverick41]

Just wanted to revisit this as, well, you were basically hitting at a 80+% rate.

At this time, I do see the forward candidates on the current roster being more worthy than any of those who are missing here although from a "prospects I'd like to see standpoint", I'd much rather see Tropmann and Hübner than a few of the guys currently under consideration. Also, Dietl would have been nice as one of the three goalies, but Quapp and Wold are at the top of that list, so the motivation for 3rd string candidates is often another for the coaches.

I guess the only "surprise" for me among the forwards is the absence of Connor Korte, who appears to be having a decent season in Switzerland (U20), but then again, it's not like difference between him and any of the others is that big.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I guess the only "surprise" for me among the forwards is the absence of Connor Korte, who appears to be having a decent season in Switzerland (U20), but then again, it's not like difference between him and any of the others is that big.

Yep, it's funny. Corte was in Texas with the U18 and I don't think they've had him back since.

Almost makes you wonder if there was something about his make-up, character, or even agent that has turned the program off to him?

 

[PanniniClaus]

I do have a schedule now for both Austria and Germany in Antigonish.

 

[pgfan66]

Yep, it's funny. Corte was in Texas with the U18 and I don't think they've had him back since.

Almost makes you wonder if there was something about his make-up, character, or even agent that has turned the program off to him?

The agent is one of the biggest names in Germany and has tons of other prospects who are represented.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

The agent is one of the biggest names in Germany and has tons of other prospects who are represented.

And yet, you have to wonder...

 

[cmcneil02]

Lost in Overtime today to Team Austria, 4-3.

 

[novisor]

How’s this team looking this year? It’s a shame Covid and NHL\AHL really took away from seeing Peterka/Stutzle/Seider at this tourney (I know Seider aged out after 2021 but it would’ve been nice to see what Germany could do with all of them).

 

[GermanSpitfire]

How’s this team looking this year? It’s a shame Covid and NHL\AHL really took away from seeing Peterka/Stutzle/Seider at this tourney (I know Seider aged out after 2021 but it would’ve been nice to see what Germany could do with all of them).

Team isn’t great. Will be relying on the ‘04‘s more offensively talented player such as Hauf, Lutz and Kechner to have great tournaments because the ‘03 crop is quite underwhelming aside from maybe Rossmy.

Big game is December 30th against Austria. We win that game, we don’t play for Relegation. The goal for this year is to stay in the top division. Anything more is gravy.

 

[SoundAndFury]

With all due respect, Austria seems terrible in comparison to Germany, back to finishing 5th in the D1A days in terms of roster quality.

 

[Maverick41]

Final roster announced. Hänelt misses the tournament due to injury (of course).

Nr.	Position	Nachname	Vorname	Verein 2022/23
1	GK	Babulis	Rihards	EC Bad Nauheim
30	GK	Quapp	Nikita	Eisbären Berlin / Lausitzer Füchse
29	GK	Wolf	Simon	Red Bull Hockey Juniors
2	D	Bettahar	Rayan	Eisbären Berlin
22	D	Bidoul	Philipp	ESV Kaufbeuren
5	D	Elten	Nils	Iserlohn Roosters / Herner EV
28	D	Klein	Adrian	Straubing Tigers / EV Landshut
4	D	Sinn	Phillip	RB Hockey Juniors / EHC Red Bull München
12	D	van der Linde	Leon	EHC Red Bull München / ESV Kaufbeuren
27	D	Wäser	Julian	Lausitzer Füchse / Crocodiles Hamburg
14	F	Bader	Quirin	Red Bull Hockey Juniors
21	F	Del Monte	Ryan	London Knights
17	F	Hauf	Luca	Edmonton Oil Kings
23	F	Heigl	Nikolaus	Red Bull Hockey Juniors
13	F	Heigl	Thomas	Red Bull Hockey Juniors
19	F	Hördler	Eric	Eisbären Berlin / Lausitzer Füchse
24	F	Kechter	Roman	Nürnberg Ice Tigers
11	F	Krening	Philipp	EHC Red Bull München / Red Bull Hockey Juniors
18	F	Lutz	Julian	EHC Red Bull München
20	F	Oswald	Veit	EHC Red Bull München / SC Riessersee
10	F	Proske	Yannick	Iserlohn Roosters
15	F	Roßmy	Bennet	Eisbären Berlin / Lausitzer Füchse
25	F	van Calster	Robin	Kölner EC / EC Bad Nauheim

 

[PanniniClaus]

Final roster announced. Hänelt misses the tournament due to injury (of course).

Nr.	Position	Nachname	Vorname	Verein 2022/23
1	GK	Babulis	Rihards	EC Bad Nauheim
30	GK	Quapp	Nikita	Eisbären Berlin / Lausitzer Füchse
29	GK	Wolf	Simon	Red Bull Hockey Juniors
2	D	Bettahar	Rayan	Eisbären Berlin
22	D	Bidoul	Philipp	ESV Kaufbeuren
5	D	Elten	Nils	Iserlohn Roosters / Herner EV
28	D	Klein	Adrian	Straubing Tigers / EV Landshut
4	D	Sinn	Phillip	RB Hockey Juniors / EHC Red Bull München
12	D	van der Linde	Leon	EHC Red Bull München / ESV Kaufbeuren
27	D	Wäser	Julian	Lausitzer Füchse / Crocodiles Hamburg
14	F	Bader	Quirin	Red Bull Hockey Juniors
21	F	Del Monte	Ryan	London Knights
17	F	Hauf	Luca	Edmonton Oil Kings
23	F	Heigl	Nikolaus	Red Bull Hockey Juniors
13	F	Heigl	Thomas	Red Bull Hockey Juniors
19	F	Hördler	Eric	Eisbären Berlin / Lausitzer Füchse
24	F	Kechter	Roman	Nürnberg Ice Tigers
11	F	Krening	Philipp	EHC Red Bull München / Red Bull Hockey Juniors
18	F	Lutz	Julian	EHC Red Bull München
20	F	Oswald	Veit	EHC Red Bull München / SC Riessersee
10	F	Proske	Yannick	Iserlohn Roosters
15	F	Roßmy	Bennet	Eisbären Berlin / Lausitzer Füchse
25	F	van Calster	Robin	Kölner EC / EC Bad Nauheim

Who else was let go? I heard they are allowing teams to keep 2 injury replacement spots available.