Patriots/NFL 2021 Season II: 1-2; Week 4 vs. TB

[Johnnyduke]

An all time great coach got matched up with an all time great quarterback. They had an amazing run and contribute to each other’s success in ways no one else could.

The fact that some of you Patriots fans can’t move on from that is baffling.

How is it baffling when the Patriots suck and the Bucs won the SB and will contend to repeat? It is anything but baffling. It is totally understandable.

 

[EverettMike]

But I am sure you'll be on board with the pro Belichick spin in the upcoming Wickersham book that could be a reason for the Brady camp's crowing? Bill is no saint here. He gets the info out to the press that he wants out there. Whether it's Wickersham or his 3rd son, Adam Schefter.

Do you know Wickersham's book will have pro Belichick spin? What has Wickersham ever written about Belichick and the Pats that makes you think he'll paint them in a favorable light now? (A Schedfter book though I'd agree you're on to something.)

Maybe Belichick, who continues to take the high ground with Brady and isn't a thin-skinned baby trying to get out ahead of the book, just doesn't give a shit.

 

[DiggityDog]

How is it baffling when the Patriots suck and the Bucs won the SB and will contend to repeat? It is anything but baffling. It is totally understandable.

If you broke up with your partner and were still talking and whining about it a year and a half later, everyone would be telling you you need to move on.

You had some great times together, nothing lasts forever. Just remember those good times.

 

[DangleCity]

How is it baffling when the Patriots suck and the Bucs won the SB and will contend to repeat? It is anything but baffling. It is totally understandable.

Tom hand picked a loaded team, the Patriots are rebuilding. It's not hard to understand.

 

[LSCII]

I mean Bill drafted him so I dont see how it could be the other way around.

Every coach had plenty of HOFers. Gibbs had Darrell Green and Art Monk. Parcells had Lwerence Taylor and Harry Carlson. The point is the coaches are always going to need the players

And Bill had Ty Law, Seau, and Moss. But we were talking about QBs, which is why you threw out Starr. So yeah....

 

[Johnnyduke]

Do you know Wickersham's book will have pro Belichick spin?

That's the impression I got from Bert Breer. He got an advanced copy.

 

[LSCII]

Do you know Wickersham's book will have pro Belichick spin? What has Wickersham ever written about Belichick and the Pats that makes you think he'll paint them in a favorable light now? (A Schedfter book though I'd agree you're on to something.)

Maybe Belichick, who continues to take the high ground with Brady and isn't a thin-skinned baby trying to get out ahead of the book, just doesn't give a shit.

It's well documented that Wickersham has been a mouthpiece for the team and Belichick for quite a long time now. Same thing with Schefter.

 

[DangleCity]

And Bill had Ty Law, Seau, and Moss. But we were talking about QBs, which is why you threw out Starr. So yeah....

I was talking about players in general not only QBs. Either way, the coach needs the players. Bill was in a unique position were he was coach and gm so to say it was all Brady when Bill built the roster is just not true. He rebuilt the roster twice for two championship runs where they won 3 SBs each time.

 

[Johnnyduke]

Tom hand picked a loaded team, the Patriots are rebuilding. It's not hard to understand.

Lol. We're gonna do this completely false narrative again? Not a single person was calling the Bucs a loaded team when Brady signed. It is 100% revisionist history. People mocked the situation of Brady only being able to attract a couple offers including the lowly Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

 

[EverettMike]

It's well documented that Wickersham has been a mouthpiece for the team and Belichick for quite a long time now. Same thing with Schefter.

I guess all those highly publicized articles Wickersham has had ripping the whole organization had me confused.

 

[rfournier103]

I think that if the Patriots turn in a sub-par season this year, Coach Bill could find himself of the hot seat with the Krafts. Unlike some owners of professional sports teams, the Krafts actually want to win. The last time the Patriots had back-to-back losing seasons was 1992 and 1993 - the year BEFORE Bob Kraft bought the Patriots.

Here are some numbers that I guarantee Bob and/or Jonathan Kraft are aware of:

27-30 ~ Belichick’s record as Patriots head coach WITHOUT Tom Brady.

63-74 ~ Belichick’s CAREER record as head coach of the Patriots and Browns without Tom Brady.

5-12 ~ The Patriots’ record in their last 20 games (minus 3 wins vs. the PUTRID NY Jets) over their last 20 games.

I understand that last year was what it was, but given all the free-agent spending this year, and a full offseason to gear up, who would have thought the Patriots would play so badly? Every great coach has a great quarterback, but for Belichick’s sake, I hope the Patriots improve. And soon.

 

[Johnnyduke]

If you broke up with your partner and were still talking and whining about it a year and a half later, everyone would be telling you you need to move on.

You had some great times together, nothing lasts forever. Just remember those good times.

Sports fandom and a relationship with a significant other are not the same thing.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Tom hand picked a loaded team, the Patriots are rebuilding. It's not hard to understand.

so whats the narrative if winston does well with NO and stunk up the place with TB

 

[DangleCity]

Lol. We're gonna do this completely false narrative again? Not a single person was calling the Bucs a loaded team when Brady signed. It is 100% revisionist history. People mocked the situation of Brady only being able to attract a couple offers including the lowly Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

They had a really good defense, plus two pro ball wrs and gronk. All they were missing was a QB

 

[DangleCity]

so whats the narrative if winston does well with NO and stunk up the place with TB

Winston has looked pretty mediocre, so I guess time will tell. I'm not gunna hold my breath that Winston is going to light it up in NO

 

[KrejciMVP]

Winston has looked pretty mediocre, so I guess time will tell. I'm not gunna hold my breath that Winston is going to light it up in NO

if he guides NO to a better record than he did Tampa, whats that say about Tampa. Winston hasn't been great but he did beat Bill

 

[Johnnyduke]

They had a really good defense, plus two pro ball wrs and gronk. All they were missing was a QB

To be a SB contender? Nobody was saying that about the Bucs prior to Brady signing.

 

[LSCII]

I guess all those highly publicized articles Wickersham has had ripping the whole organization had me confused.

I didn't say he wasn't opportunistic when it suited him. Just that it's well known he gets a lot of insider info from the Pats/Belichick. And as there are plenty of people in the biz that have seen and read advanced copies of the book, you can be sure Brady and his camp are well aware of what's in there and where it came from. Which is why they went full court press early to get their narrative out there before it drops. I don't even have a problem with that, give the Patriots have played plenty of media related games on topics and players over the years. It's part of the deal these days.

 

[DangleCity]

To be a SB contender? Nobody was saying that about the Bucs prior to Brady signing.

Right, because they didn't have a QB. They had a ton of talent but no one to lead them.

 

[Johnnyduke]

Right, because they didn't have a QB. They had a ton of talent but no one to lead them.

No. Nobody was saying the Bucs were a QB away from being a SB contender.

 

[EverettMike]

I didn't say he wasn't opportunistic when it suited him. Just that it's well known he gets a lot of insider info from the Pats/Belichick. And as there are plenty of people in the biz that have seen and read advanced copies of the book, you can be sure Brady and his camp are well aware of what's in there and where it came from. Which is why they went full court press early to get their narrative out there before it drops. I don't even have a problem with that, give the Patriots have played plenty of media related games on topics and players over the years. It's part of the deal these days.

Brady acted like a f***ing asshole his last season here, even when they were the defending champs with an 8 and 0 record. We all commented on his attitude in real time, so this isn't creating a narrative after the fact.

I'm not surprised some people have thoughts on his behavior at the end.

 

[LSCII]

Lol. We're gonna do this completely false narrative again? Not a single person was calling the Bucs a loaded team when Brady signed. It is 100% revisionist history. People mocked the situation of Brady only being able to attract a couple offers including the lowly Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Most of the mocking in the national media was coming from the Patriots themselves. Unfortunately for them, that hot take didn't hold up too well in the grand scheme of things....


It was also patently false, but hey, who gives a shit about being truthful when you can smear a star player on the way out the door here???

 

[Troublesome 85]

Jesus christ can we all move on?

 

[LSCII]

Brady acted like a f***ing asshole his last season here, even when they were the defending champs with an 8 and 0 record. We all commented on his attitude in real time, so this isn't creating a narrative after the fact.

I'm not surprised some people have thoughts on his behavior at the end.

He did, absolutely. I can't blame him though. He continually took well below market value and what did it get him? Nothing. To Belichick, he was just another guy.

 

[CDJ]

oh yeah gonna be a great week!