Speculation: 2021-22 Sharks Roster Discussion part X

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Speculation: - 2021-22 Sharks Roster Discussion part IX

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[Kcoyote3]

Would any contract within the 6 million dollar range be a steal for Hertl / would you be cool with re-signing him then?

Say he signs a 6.9 x 8 years. Sold?

 

[CupfortheSharks]

I think we would be lucky if agrees to take the same deal as Couture, $8M x 8 years. He could get more on the open market.

 

[Kcoyote3]

I think we would be lucky if agrees to take the same deal as Couture, $8M x 8 years. He could get more on the open market.

Yeah probably so, I was just curious if it was 6.9 if people who are in the trade Hertl camp would be cool with him staying then

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

I imagine Hertl has a pretty savvy agent. Id have to assume hes not gonna let Hertl sign for less than 8 unless Hertl is adamant on making it work with management in SJ. Like, i wanna stay here, let's get close to number and term. Will and DW need to really come out strong in negotiations. Don't low ball him and insult him. I think they know what Hertls worth and will pay that man his money.

 

[Alaskanice]

Wouldn’t it be cool if Hertl and Meier did the Thornton/Marleau thing?
Of course they’re younger but it’s be awesome.

 

[Hodge]

Would any contract within the 6 million dollar range be a steal for Hertl / would you be cool with re-signing him then?

Say he signs a 6.9 x 8 years. Sold?

Who cares what the cap hit is? The reason not to sign Hertl to ANY contract is because there is no realistic pathway to becoming a contender while he's still in his prime.

 

[DG93]

Who cares what the cap hit is? The reason not to sign Hertl to ANY contract is because there is no realistic pathway to becoming a contender while he's still in his prime.

I would begrudgingly agree with this...the smart thing to do would be to sell high on Hertl, trade off secondary pieces like Barabanov, Reimer, and Bonino for what you can at the deadline, get a top-8 pick, and full blown tank for Bedard or Michkov next season (trade Burns wherever in the offseason). That's the team's best chance at becoming a contender.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I would burn everything down and trade everyone for Bedard.

 

[hohosaregood]

yea he's gone

 

[DG93]

yea he's gone

If they let him walk for nothing, the whole front office should be cleared out

 

[one2gamble]

If they let him walk for nothing, the whole front office should be cleared out

Yea , burn the entire thing if that happens

 

[Hodge]

Losing him for nothing is still better than signing him to an eight year contract in my book. I mean obviously they should trade him but the realistic return is a low first round pick that will likely never develop into a useful NHL player and a prospect who will likely never develop into a useful NHL player.

 

[sharski]

Anywhere but Vegas

 

[hohosaregood]

Nashville could low key buyers at the deadline. Doing a trade to get Svechkov+1st/2nd might be plausible.

 

[Jwec]

Losing him for nothing is still better than signing him to an eight year contract in my book. I mean obviously they should trade him but the realistic return is a low first round pick that will likely never develop into a useful NHL player and a prospect who will likely never develop into a useful NHL player.

If expectation is that 1st round pick is not going to develop into a useful NHL player it means that you should ALWAYS trade your 1st round picks for established players and do you know how stupid that sounds?

 

[Hodge]

If expectation is that 1st round pick is not going to develop into a useful NHL player it means that you should ALWAYS trade your 1st round picks for established players and do you know how stupid that sounds?

Contending teams SHOULD always trade their 1st round picks for established players who can help them now. That's pretty much what the Sharks did from 2007-2011.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Contending teams SHOULD always trade their 1st round picks for established players who can help them now. That's pretty much what the Sharks did from 2007-2011.

I mean, that's part of what what led us to being here, especially considering a lot of those rentals did absolutely nothing to reward those prices.

 

[Hodge]

I mean, that's part of what what led us to being here, especially considering a lot of those rentals did absolutely nothing to reward those prices.

What led to us being here was selling the farm for Karlsson and Kane when the team was no longer in a legitimate Cup window then locking in the roster for a decade.

But when they had a future HOF 1C and a top line goal scoring winger in their prime? Hell yeah they were right to trade their 1st round pick for immediate help every year. Not every move like that is guaranteed to work out but Dan Boyle alone was more valuable to the Sharks than everything they traded in those years combined.

 

[KirbyDots]

yea he's gone

He's negotiating, sounds like his agent wants to get more money. They should know by the deadline if he's going to stay or not, my thinking is that if the team is committed to not tanking they'll give him what he wants.

 

[Jwec]

What led to us being here was selling the farm for Karlsson and Kane when the team was no longer in a legitimate Cup window then locking in the roster for a decade.

But when they had a future HOF 1C and a top line goal scoring winger in their prime? Hell yeah they were right to trade their 1st round pick for immediate help every year. Not every move like that is guaranteed to work out but Dan Boyle alone was more valuable to the Sharks than everything they traded in those years combined.

What actually led us here was and Jones and Vlasic becoming absolutely horrible and dead weight in cap. Combined 13-million for players who should have caphit of 1-million. Without those contracts Sharks could've kept Pavelski and Donskoi/Nyquist and also had better goaltending than what Jones brought.

 

[Hodge]

What actually led us here was and Jones and Vlasic becoming absolutely horrible and dead weight in cap. Combined 13-million for players who should have caphit of 1-million. Without those contracts Sharks could've kept Pavelski and Donskoi/Nyquist and also had better goaltending than what Jones brought.

Even if we had kept Pavelski and Donskoi this still wouldn't be a good team right now. The fundamental error was going for it in 2018 and 2019 when they should have kept their picks and prospects and traded Couture and Pavelski in their contract years. If we had Norris and Stutzle today along with other young pieces acquired for Couture and Pavelski it might actually make sense to re-sign Hertl and we would have plenty of cap space to offer him whatever he wants. Instead we're forced to trade him and probably Meier because Doug held on for too long.

 

[Jwec]

Even if we had kept Pavelski and Donskoi this still wouldn't be a good team right now. The fundamental error was going for it in 2018 and 2019 when they should have kept their picks and prospects and traded Couture and Pavelski in their contract years. If we had Norris and Stutzle today along with other young pieces acquired for Couture and Pavelski it might actually make sense to re-sign Hertl and we would have plenty of cap space to offer him whatever he wants. Instead we're forced to trade him and probably Meier because Doug held on for too long.

I disagree. 2019 we had arguably the best Sharks team ever assembled on paper. 60-point Thornton as 3C, PPG Hertl as 1C and Couture as 2C had 70p. And 40-goal Pavs, 30-goal Kane and Meier and 55-point Labanc. Donskoi was scoring half point per game pace. Not to mention that Vlasic still looked like first pairing defenseman before that season and Burns scored point per game.

In one way, Sharks were closer to a cup in 2019 than 2016 as 2016 Pens were better team. 2019 Sharks was arguably the best team in the league but injuries caused by dirty St. Louis hits which were never penalized ruined it. With better injury luck and refs doing their job in conference finals Sharks could've been a cup champion.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

I disagree. 2019 we had arguably the best Sharks team ever assembled on paper. 60-point Thornton as 3C, PPG Hertl as 1C and Couture as 2C had 70p. And 40-goal Pavs, 30-goal Kane and Meier and 55-point Labanc. Donskoi was scoring half point per game pace. Not to mention that Vlasic still looked like first pairing defenseman before that season and Burns scored point per game.

In one way, Sharks were closer to a cup in 2019 than 2016 as 2016 Pens were better team. 2019 Sharks was arguably the best team in the league but injuries caused by dirty St. Louis hits which were never penalized ruined it. With better injury luck and refs doing their job in conference finals Sharks could've been a cup champion.

That 2019 team got lucky to get past Vegas in the 1st round and took too many games to dispatch an undermanned Avs team. That team wasn’t nearly as good as the 2016 team. I hate to agree with Hodge but the huge Kane and Karlsson mistakes ensured we will need a long and painful rebuild. Otherwise, a refresh might have worked.

 

[TheBeard]

That 2019 team got lucky to get past Vegas in the 1st round and took too many games to dispatch an undermanned Avs team. That team wasn’t nearly as good as the 2016 team. I hate to agree with Hodge but the huge Kane and Karlsson mistakes ensured we will need a long and painful rebuild. Otherwise, a refresh might have worked.

How was the Kane trade a mistake? How did they bet the farm on him as Hodge says? We traded a first which ended up being Brayden Tracey (who???) and Danny O'Regan. Dude was a steal until this offseason.