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him or one of the two D's.Really hoping he doesn't so we can take him
my personal list: drysdale, sanderson, raymond
him or one of the two D's.Really hoping he doesn't so we can take him
This is where I'm at as well. If both blue liners are off the board and Raymond's there, he's the upside pick. I mean, we could play it safe with Rossi and then shoot the moon at 18/20 but, hell, we have multiple avenues we could take in October. I'm just tired of the speculation lol. This was all supposed to be over in June!!!!him or one of the two D's.
my personal list: drysdale, sanderson, raymond
It was a joke...somehow?
you want to play the lottery after the 2021/22 season?
i assume few teams will be willing to trade their 2022 first round pick with a potential franchise player available. best bet to acquired such a pick, is to trade for a 2021 pick with protection, which transfer the pick to 2022.
@StevenToddIves: time to enlight us about vasily ponomarev.As an example, I did a quick search and here are ISS rankings from October 2019 with Raymond ranked 2nd. Interesting to see how the rankings change.
1 - Lafrenière, Alexis – LW – Rimouski - QMJHL
2 - Raymond, Lucas - RW – Frolunda – SweJE
3 - Drysdale, Jamie - RD - Erie – OHL
4 - Lundell, Anton - C – HIFK Helsinki – FinE
5 - Holtz, Alexander - LW - Djurgardens – SweE
6 - Perfetti, Cole – C/LW - Saginaw– OHL
7 - Byfield, Quinton - C - Sudbury – OHL
8 - Lapierre, Hendrix - C – Chicoutimi – QMJHL
9 - Holloway, Dylan – LW/C – Wisconsin – BigTen
10 - Barron, Justin - RD - Halifax - QMJHL
11 - Rossi, Marco - C - Ottawa– OHL
12 - Stutzle, Tim - RW - Mannheimer – GerE
13 - Smilanic, Ty - C – USA U18 - NTDP
14 - Schneider, Braden - RD - Brandon – WHL
15 – Amirov, Rodion - LW - UFA - KHL
16 - Sanderson, Jake - D - USA U18 – NTDP
17 - Gunler, Noel - RW - Lulea – SweE
18 - Guhle, Kaiden - LD – Prince Albert – WHL
19 – Mukhamadullin, Shakir – LD – UFA – MHL
20 - Ponomarev, Vasily - C - Shawinigan – QMJHL
21 – Poirier. Jeremie - D – Saint John – QMJHL
22 - Sourdif, Justin - C - Vancouver– WHL
23 – Kleven, Tyler – LD – USA U18 – NTDP
24 – Pashin, Alexander – C – Ufa Tolpar – R-MHL
25 – Foudy, Jean-Luc – C –Windsor – OHL
26 – Perreault, Jacob – RW – Sarnia – OHL
27 – Pytlik, Jaromir – LW – S.S. Marie – OHL
28 – Zary, Connor – C – Kamloops – WHL
29 – Neighbours, Jake – C – Edmonton – WHL
30 – Ratzlaff, Jake – D – Rosemount HS – MN-HS
31 – Hirvonen, Roni – C – Assat –
ISS Hockey Releases October Top 31 Prospects for 2020 NHL Entry Draft
Bottom line is that three of Sanderson, Drysdale, Rossi, Holtz, Raymond, and Perfetti will be available when we pick and any/all of them fill a need and will immediately be our best prospect.
i don't think, it was a joke. you would truly love to see shane wright skate for the devils. me too. and if it was just a joke, you are wrong. wright would be a delicious get for any nhl team.It was a joke...
As an example, I did a quick search and here are ISS rankings from October 2019 with Raymond ranked 2nd. Interesting to see how the rankings change.
1 - Lafrenière, Alexis – LW – Rimouski - QMJHL
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ISS Hockey Releases October Top 31 Prospects for 2020 NHL Entry Draft
I'd be happy with Perfetti, but he seems like he has the highest bust potential out of the guys that might be available.I’ll be happy with anyone on that list but Perfetti. He’s a very good prospect but to me, seems like the weakest link out of them all.
Why do you say that? Other than a slight knock on his skating from some people (which seems fine to me), I don’t see any reason to think his skills won’t transfer over to the NHL.I'd be happy with Perfetti, but he seems like he has the highest bust potential out of the guys that might be available.
IMO that by itself isn't reason enough to not take the guy, you're alway better off taking a guy because of what he is as opposed to what he isn't. If the scouts think he's BPA I will defer to them, they've seen way more of him than I have. I know Perfetti has electrifying skill and 1st line potential, which we desperately need.
I don't think his bust potential is high per se, just that the rest of his cohort seem to safer. Bust potential is never zero.Why do you say that? Other than a slight knock on his skating from some people (which seems fine to me), I don’t see any reason to think his skills won’t transfer over to the NHL.
Dude I was just messing with @StevenToddIvesi don't think, it was a joke. you would truly love to see shane wright skate for the devils. me too. and if it was just a joke, you are wrong. wright would be a delicious get for any nhl team.
i fully understand, you don't advice to tank for his service and i wouldn't either. but rationally you can't be sure, that the devils won't be a lottery team. so there's a very small chance (today), that the devils 2022 pick is in the lottery and wins us the right for wright.
to better our chances more 2022 picks are required. but as i explained, they won't be easily available. therefore trading for 2021 first round picks with protection could improve the odds. if any cap dumps come up, ask for a 2021 first and offer protection. if multi-year cap dump is in play, ask for the 2022 pick outright.
@StevenToddIves: time to enlight us about vasily ponomarev.
Yikes. What is downright terrifying to me is that with so very little hockey having been played from then until now, people have put so much weight on a tournament that Stutzle and Sanderson rocketted up and some guys that were hurt for a short time or hit a dry spell plummetted - All it took was watching Stutzle for a couple of games to absolutely blow everyone's mind. (Watch the same highlight film again and again, and then move this guy or that guy up or down).
I think it's been said here time and again, but there's such little hard data going into these big, big decisions - I feel like I'm going into a final exam for which I forgot to study.
Going to venture into this discussion not to steal any of STI's thunder, but rather give a few more names to keep an eye out for in the later rounds of the draft, just so Steve doesn't have to do all of the heavy lifting by himself
Sleeper Pick: Daniel Torgersson - LW/RW, Frolunda HC U20
There are few prospects in this draft class that have the combination of size and speed that Torgersson possesses. Combine that with a long arms-length and you have a player that is exceptional at creating consistent offensive zone pressure. Torgersson is a very athletic player - you can tell by his acceleration and almost jumpiness to his skating starts & stops. Torgersson puts his all into every shift and because of that (and his physical prowess) he is near elite at puck retrieval. Torgersson has relatively good hockey IQ and is able to recognize a play developing and get to where he needs to be. This is prevalent while cycling and looking for rebounds. He's a big kid and still has more room to grow to fill out his frame, but he doesn't use that size to his advantage. He's projected to go in the 3rd round, but TheDraftAnalyst has him ranked in the first round. All in all, a very reliable player who at this point doesn't look to have top-6 upside in terms of scoring threat. If he can put everything together though...... But until then, I think it would be fair to say that the majority of his goals will likely come from rebounds and trash goals (I say this because while he had an incredibly high shooting percentage in his league, indicating his ability to get to the high-danger scoring areas of the ice, there's no element of deception in his game yet. As a 6'3" 205 lbs player, that's okay in juniors when you can continue skating with defensemen draped over you, but when going up against pro d-men, you're going to need a little bit more than just size.)
He'll also be one of the hardest-working players you find on the ice.
Sleeper Pick: Isaak Phillips - LD, Sudbury
Jumping immediately from a player who will hopefully be available in the 3rd round to one who quite a few independent scouting services don't even have ranked, here's Isaak Phillips, a prospect who I very much have a soft spot for.
The name of the game for Phillips is raw potential. Already possessing NHL size and exceptional skating, Phillips was somehow able to fly under the radar this year - it may help playing on the same team as Byfield. We all remember our growth spurts when we were younger (if we were lucky enough to have them), but from 2017/2018 to this past season, Phillips grew from 5'10", 149 lbs to 6'3", 195 lbs. At that point, you might be learning to skate all over again. Even still, Phillips found himself in an all-situations role for Sudbury including seeing massive improvements in the second half of the season in transition play, zone exits, and even joining the offensive rush. Phillips is one of the oldest players in the draft with a late September birthday. Even still, his growth and development between his first and most recent OHL seasons can't be ignored. Where Phillips struggles is with his decision-making and read of the game. This is not to say that he's overwhelmed by the pace of play in the OHL, but rather he approaches the game with the mindset of being afraid to make a mistake. As a result, he usually sticks to the overly-simplistic play rather than having trust in his excellent skating skills (not just straight line speed, but also lateral movement) and thus he limits his own offensive upside. There's quite a lot of forward talent in Sudbury, so perhaps with Byfield graduating next season (not sure what the Canes will do with Blake Murray yet), Phillips will get more of an opportunity to showcase his skills. It may be that all he grows into is a defensive defenseman, but he's got pro tools and would be a home-run swing of a pick in rounds 5-7. Bottom line for me is that any player with his size and skating is worth taking a flier on in the later rounds.
Dude I was just messing with @StevenToddIves
The Pinguins?! Common man!If you ask me who I think is going first overall in 2024, I'm hopping on the first bus to Antarctica.