2020 HHOF Class (Iginla, Hossa, Wilson, Lowe, St-Pierre, Holland)

[LeafsNation75]

He was only with Toronto for 4 seasons.

It was actually 5 seasons because he came back as a UFA for the 2008-09 season, which was his last year in the NHL before he retired.

 

[MXD]

Curtis Joseph would be a much better choice than Mike Vernon for starters.

Jean Claude Tremblay would also be just about the 2nd best player on the ballot. In fact, a good claim could be made that, not so long ago, the most meritorious players not in the HHOF were former Habs.

 

[NyQuil]

Even if Cujo is benefitting you can not say him playing in Toronto is the reason for that. If it was he would have got elected the first year he was eligible.

Why can't I say that?

He has zero skill-based awards.

He has a career .905 save percentage and has exactly two seasons at .915 as his high-water mark.

Somehow his name keeps coming up. If he was in Arizona he wouldn't even be mentioned at all.

 

[Habs10025]

Hossa wasn't a superior player imo

Hossa was the better player had a better career and is more deserving of the HHOF.

 

[NyQuil]

Hossa was the better player had a better career and is more deserving of the HHOF.

Never the better player - definitely has more career hardware.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I have done hundreds of hours of research and surveyed dozens of experts from around the NHL and the hockey world.

I am 100% certain that the following will be deservingly selected for the HHOF today:

Paul Henderson
Kevin Lowe
Bernie Nicholls
Chris Osgood

 

[NyQuil]

I have done hundreds of hours of research and surveyed dozens of experts from around the NHL and the hockey world.

I am 100% certain that the following will be deservingly selected for the HHOF today:

Paul Henderson
Kevin Lowe
Bernie Nicholls
Chris Osgood

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Hossa was the better player had a better career and is more deserving of the HHOF.

Lol absolutely not. Played in larger markets and therefore got more media attention. Hossa was never "the guy" on his team, he was always the 2nd or 3rd best player. Alfredsson was "the guy" on the Sens for an entire decade.

 

[Kranix]

It was actually 5 seasons because he came back as a UFA for the 2008-09 season, which was his last year in the NHL before he retired.

Oh I forgot about the fifth season. That tips it over into HHOF consideration.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Why can't I say that?

He has zero skill-based awards.

He has a career .905 save percentage and has exactly two seasons at .915 as his high-water mark.

Somehow his name keeps coming up. If he was in Arizona he wouldn't even be mentioned at all.

You can say whatever you want.

I'm just saying Curtis Joseph is an example of a former Toronto Maple Leaf who despite playing for them and being a popular player, didn't get elected to the Hall of Fame just because of those factors.

 

[NyQuil]

I'm just saying Curtis Joseph is an example of a former Toronto Maple Leaf who despite playing for them and being a popular player, didn't get elected to the Hall of Fame just because of those factors.

Well, Bryan McCabe isn't in the Hall either.

That doesn't mean playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs doesn't help your case.

 

[Kranix]

You can say whatever you want.

I'm just saying Curtis Joseph is an example of a former Toronto Maple Leaf who despite playing for them and being a popular player, didn't get elected to the Hall of Fame just because of those factors.

If he had played like 2 more seasons there he would be in already. He'll get in by virtue of his 5 seasons, but it will take time.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I'm being completely serious

Henderson - Scored the biggest goal of all time
Lowe - Won 6 Stanley Cups, this cannot be debated
Nicholls - One of only 8 players to score 70 goals. It was tough between him and Mogilny though
Osgood - In 2008 he won the Stanley Cup, led the league in GAA, and started the ASG -- one of the great goaltending seasons of all time

 

[NyQuil]

Lowe - Won 6 Stanley Cups, this cannot be debated

I think his relative contribution can be debated.

The HHoF is to honour individual talent and accomplishment.

If you think Kevin Lowe would be a HHoF member on any other team, I would support your position.

Henderson - Scored the biggest goal of all time

If you're Canadian and around in 1972.

Nicholls - One of only 8 players to score 70 goals. It was tough between him and Mogilny though

Osgood - In 2008 he won the Stanley Cup, led the league in GAA, and started the ASG -- one of the great goaltending seasons of all time

I'm a little leery about letting in peak players.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Well, Bryan McCabe isn't in the Hall either.

That doesn't mean playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs doesn't help your case.

Look I'm not saying Curtis Joseph will be elected today. If he was I would be completely shocked. I just think it's an excuse to say playing for Toronto is a reason why a player will be get voted in and so far with Joseph that has not happened.

The same thing was said about Doug Gilmour when he was elected and he didn't go in his first year.

The last Leafs player who spent the majority of their career in Toronto to be elected in his first year of eligibility was Mats Sundin.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I think his relative contribution can be debated.

The HHoF is to honour individual talent and accomplishment.

If you think Kevin Lowe would be a HHoF member on any other team, I would support your position.

I mean clearly the guy knows something about how to win Stanley Cups. He didn't win 6 just by pure luck.

Same with Osgood, he didn't just show up and get handed a ring for doing nothing.

 

[Habs10025]

Never the better player - definitely has more career hardware.

Hossa was the more complete player offensively ,defensively . Hossa was the better player.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Look I'm not saying Curtis Joseph will be elected today. If he was I would be completely shocked. I just think it's an excuse to say playing for Toronto is a reason why a player will be get voted in and so far with Joseph that has not happened.

The same thing was said about Doug Gilmour when he was elected and he didn't go in his first year.

The last Leafs player who spent the majority of their career in Toronto to be elected in his first year of eligibility was Mats Sundin.

I think people are more saying that there's a benefit to playing in Toronto, in that if someone like Alfredsson, Fleury, or Turgeon spent the entirety of their careers with Toronto they'd likely already be in the HHOF. If they played in Montreal they'd all be first-ballot guys.

 

[Trap Jesus]

With only one obvious candidate for NHL players I feel like a female player will get in.

Iginla is a lock, then in order of likeliness, I wouldn't be surprised to see:

Alfredsson
Brind'Amour
Hossa
Mogilny
Elias

Really think Brind'Amour could do it, he's been at the forefront of people's minds in recent years with his coaching and I think Carbonneau opens the floodgates for Selke guys.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Hossa was the more complete player offensively ,defensively . Hossa was the better player.

More complete player offensively? Go read the post I posted from Reddit, it suggests the exact opposite of that.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

The reason Alfredsson hasn't gotten in yet, and likely won't today, is because he played for Ottawa. Small market team, and the Toronto fans/media hated Alfredsson for his hit on Tucker and his mocking of Sundin.

 

[LeafsNation75]

I think people are more saying that there's a benefit to playing in Toronto, in that if someone like Alfredsson, Fleury, or Turgeon spent the entirety of their careers with Toronto they'd likely already be in the HHOF. If they played in Montreal they'd all be first-ballot guys.

Pierre Turgeon played in Montreal and is a former captain and yet he's not in the Hall of Fame.

 

[NyQuil]

I mean clearly the guy knows something about how to win Stanley Cups. He didn't win 6 just by pure luck.

He knows that playing on a team with 6 HHoFers is a pretty good way to win Stanley Cups.

Was he ever even an All-Star calibre player? I mean honestly, it's bizarre.

 

[Habs10025]

Lol absolutely not. Played in larger markets and therefore got more media attention. Hossa was never "the guy" on his team, he was always the 2nd or 3rd best player. Alfredsson was "the guy" on the Sens for an entire decade.

If Alfredsson played on the same teams as Hossa played on and was the only the second or third best player as you put it . Then Alfredsson wouldn't have been even that on those teams . Hossa was the better player had the better career and more deserving of the HHOF.

 

[LeafsNation75]

The reason Alfredsson hasn't gotten in yet, and likely won't today, is because he played for Ottawa. Small market team, and the Toronto fans/media hated Alfredsson for his hit on Tucker and his mocking of Sundin.

If Alfredsson does get elected and the Hall of Fame gets to be played in front of fans at Scotiabank Arena, I hope he gets booed when being introduced.