Prospect Info: 2020-21 Flyers Prospects - Top 30 SKATERS, #5

[Curufinwe]

1. Frost, Morgan - 80%
2. York, Cam - 71%
3. Zamula, Yegor - 48%
4. Brink, Bobby - 73%

Prospect Info: - 2020-21 Flyers Prospects - Top 30 SKATERS, #4

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[DancingPanther]

Laz this time

At #6, the big unveiling. What a day it will be

 

[Ironmanrulez]

I want to believe in Foerster. So i start with voting for him.

 

[landsbergfan]

I want to believe in Foerster. So i start with voting for him.

That hasn't worked for Sam Morin

 

[landsbergfan]

Laz this time

At #6, the big unveiling. What a day it will be

#6 will shock you

 

[CutOnDime97]

 

[captainpaxil]

O'brien and ratcliffe follow the top guys for me just on upside. They're kinda boom/bust but still the top of the B tier.

 

[deadhead]

Got to go with Andrae or Foerster, both 18 year old unknowns at this point.
I'll go with Andrae, on the basis of some glowing reports and the fact that he's holding his own in the SHL, which is a half notch above the AHL.
Foerster is more uncertain right now, those reports of improved skating are just rumors right now.

 

[Magua]

Tier drop.

 

[Rebels57]

Gotta go with Tyson. The shot is just so insanely enticing. If he can even ben an average NHL skater, he's gonna be a nice middle 6/PP specialist for us.

 

[Alex91]

Forester scoring and Emil skill

Vs

Forester skating and Emil size

 

[freakydallas13]

I am not sold on Foerster, and JOB has some more to prove before I come around on him, though his ceiling is high. Rubtsov I am getting close to giving up on, even if I think he has more than he showed last year.

I like Andrae in my limited viewings of him, but I'm going with the safe pick here in Hog. God knows we need to upgrade the "safe" Hogg we have on the roster already.

 

[landsbergfan]

I figured Foerster would get the edge over Andrae, even if many pre-draft rankings had Andrae higher. Definitely a step down from the previous 3 guys. I voted Andrae partly because I just like the way he plays, and partly because I see a decent chance his long term value being a bit higher. I have them both in the same tier (with others).

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Went with Tyson. Kid can snipe. Fix the skating and it’s a home run

 

[Stizzle]

I've only seen Andrae once. Pre-draft, I watched his Hlinka-Gretzky game versus Canada. Honestly, I remember nothing about him. I was keying in on a lot of other players.

I have a question for @TB87. As the authority on Millman, do you have him ahead of Andrae? I'd assume Millman has more upside, no? Millman is an ascending player with, I assume, better physical tools.

My intuition with Andrae, as a 5'9 defenseman with average skating, is he's a floor play. Not much physical maturation left either from what I can tell. Correct me if I'm wrong. I easily could be.

With Foerster, I've only seen the Top Prospect Game. So, not much to work with on my end. The lack of transition game and ES scoring is a big red flag. Not that you should judge a player based on YT highlight videos, but they're underwhelming as well.

Foerster at least has plausible upside as a kid who took a huge step forward last year. Also, despite being close to 200 pounds, Foerster still has room for physical maturation. He's still a babyface farm kid, and maybe his transition game will improve with this new skating stride we've been promised. I'm just, naturally, skeptical.

Voting for a 23 year old, instead of 2 kids just picked high, is usually going to be a losing strategy, but that's what I'm going to do. I'll take the guy I've seen a lot, and am comfortable with.

Give me Laczynski. There just isn't anything about Tanner I dislike. I'm far from certain this is the optimal pick, but I feel pretty confident I'm getting a legit valuable and versatile, modern day NHL power forward.

 

[TB87]

I have a question for @TB87. As the authority on Millman, do you have him ahead of Andrae? I'd assume Millman has more upside, no? Millman is an ascending player with, I assume, better physical tools.

My intuition with Andrae, as a 5'9 defenseman with average skating, is he's a floor play. Not much physical maturation left either from what I can tell. Correct me if I'm wrong. I easily could be.

I’ve got Millman ahead of Andrae by 1 spot in my personal rankings. Andrae’s a quicker processor, is more creative offensively, & he has a better shot than Millman but Millman’s got the edge practically everywhere else. Hence, Millman getting the slight edge for me. His tools (specifically his skating ability) allow him some leeway to recover quickly from any high-risk gambles he takes. Andrae has to be more calculated in his risk-taking, therefore limiting his net-impact.

 

[landsbergfan]

I've only seen Andrae once. Pre-draft, I watched his Hlinka-Gretzky game versus Canada. Honestly, I remember nothing about him. I was keying in on a lot of other players.
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My intuition with Andrae, as a 5'9 defenseman with average skating, is he's a floor play. Not much physical maturation left either from what I can tell. Correct me if I'm wrong. I easily could be.

With Foerster, I've only seen the Top Prospect Game. So, not much to work with on my end. The lack of transition game and ES scoring is a big red flag. Not that you should judge a player based on YT highlight videos, but they're underwhelming as well.
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Give me Laczynski. There just isn't anything about Tanner I dislike. I'm far from certain this is the optimal pick, but I feel pretty confident I'm getting a legit valuable and versatile, modern day NHL power forward.

I’ve got Millman ahead of Andrae by 1 spot in my personal rankings. Andrae’s a quicker processor, is more creative offensively, & he has a better shot than Millman but Millman’s got the edge practically everywhere else. Hence, Millman getting the slight edge for me. His tools (specifically his skating ability) allow him some leeway to recover quickly from any high-risk gambles he takes. Andrae has to be more calculated in his risk-taking, therefore limiting his net-impact.

Both very fair and reasonable points. Really no argument from me (I have them bunched together). The maturity of Andrae and recovery of Millman are two great points when considering these rankings. I think one of the things that gives Andrae the edge for me is the blue line aggressiveness I have seen, and by no means have I watched a ton of him, just the stuff I’ve seen I have really liked. I get a bit weak for that, which is part of the reason I love watching Ghost and Myers.

I have the same concern on Foersters game as @Stizzle

maybe it’s the fact that he went to Ohio State, but I just haven’t seen the top 6 upside as much from Laczynski. Like I totally agree that he is everything you want in a modern NHL forward, but he never really shocked me with how skilled he was like say, Lindblom I picture him ending up being like what Sam Carchidi thinks Laughton is

 

[deadhead]

I think raw skill matters more at forward, especially at wing where processing doesn't matter as much.
On defense, IQ makes up for a lot of flaws.

One thing in Andrae's favor is he's already in the SHL at 18, no matter what you do in the CHL, it's still a big jump to a pro league, whereas SHL to AHL is lateral (and slightly down), so if Andrae shows improvement and gains a bigger role during this season he could jump ahead of Millman even though he was drafted a year later.

 

[TB87]

Both very fair and reasonable points. Really no argument from me (I have them bunched together). The maturity of Andrae and recovery of Millman are two great points when considering these rankings. I think one of the things that gives Andrae the edge for me is the blue line aggressiveness I have seen, and by no means have I watched a ton of him, just the stuff I’ve seen I have really liked. I get a bit weak for that, which is part of the reason I love watching Ghost and Myers.

Ive watched a grand total of two full games of Andrae to date. 20-30 of Millman. Millman is an extremely aggressive blueline defender. Bigly. Andrae is fairly aggressive in that area. I need to see him play more to get a greater understanding of his entry defense aggressiveness. At this point in time, with the information I’ve gleaned from watching both, Millman is the Flyers most aggressive entry defense prospect not named Zamula. Of course, my thoughts on this aspect of their respective games could change over time with more viewings of Andrae. I’ve only seen Andrae vs SHL competition too. It’s quite possible that he was a lot more aggressive via entry defense in the SuperElit this past season.

 

[Magua]

Give me Laczynski. There just isn't anything about Tanner I dislike. I'm far from certain this is the optimal pick, but I feel pretty confident I'm getting a legit valuable and versatile, modern day NHL power forward.

I’ve got Millman ahead of Andrae by 1 spot in my personal rankings. Andrae’s a quicker processor, is more creative offensively, & he has a better shot than Millman but Millman’s got the edge practically everywhere else. Hence, Millman getting the slight edge for me. His tools (specifically his skating ability) allow him some leeway to recover quickly from any high-risk gambles he takes. Andrae has to be more calculated in his risk-taking, therefore limiting his net-impact.

I have them 1 apart too, in that order. Although not for a few more picks. This is where my brain is at: I just really value a defenseman with plus mobility, above average puck skills, and an innate aggressiveness in all 3 zones to impact play. Millman still has physical work to do, but the size profile is there. I have little doubt Andrae is more talented with the puck, but it's just hard for me to say how much his skating will impact that at the next level. And how much of his value would come on the PP -- time he might not get above some others? I may change my opinion with time and viewings, but Millman just seems too projectable.

maybe it’s the fact that he went to Ohio State, but I just haven’t seen the top 6 upside as much from Laczynski. Like I totally agree that he is everything you want in a modern NHL forward, but he never really shocked me with how skilled he was like say, Lindblom I picture him ending up being like what Sam Carchidi thinks Laughton is

That's the thing: at this point, I don't have anyone with top 6 upside. Not projectably at least. If Foerster is the guy, he has issues at ES, so is he a top 6 prospect? I'd argue he lags behind quite a few guys in ES projections. The argument for him is PP work.

I have seen Lacyznski a lot, and I will swear by his skill level. Which regularly would shock me if I hadn't seen him umpteen times. He makes passes rolling off hits that are as good as anyone here not named Frost/Brink. Truly impressive vision out of a power forward, like primary puck control playmaking ability, not just touch plays.

His shot is very underrated too. For years, he's been put in the position where he has to carry less talented linemates -- how much more would his scoring improve with guys who give HIM the puck? I think he'll be a big play driver on the cycle. I think Laczynski has sneaky 40-50 point well rounded upside. Not sure he'll get the usage for it, but it's in there. I don't think he'll be Lindblom, but my hot take is he's a slightly lesser version.

 

[Stizzle]

I’ve got Millman ahead of Andrae by 1 spot in my personal rankings.

Really no argument from me (I have them bunched together).

I have them 1 apart too, in that order. Although not for a few more picks.

I think Laczynski has sneaky 40-50 point well rounded upside. Not sure he'll get the usage for it, but it's in there. I don't think he'll be Lindblom, but my hot take is he's a slightly lesser version.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Foerster over Andrae for me. And I really like Andrae. But it’s tough sledding as a 5’9 defenseman who is an average skater.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I think once we got past that top four, it was pretty easy to see how utterly stupid it is to say things like "We don't need any more prospects, our pipeline is full" or "Who gives a shit about a couple of draft picks LMAO"

 

[BlackandOrange]

I went Ratcliffe, steady progression in junior, goal scoring knack followed by a strong supporting role on The Nick Suzuki Show (2018-2019 Guelph Storm Post Season), and then an okay showing in the AHL for the Scott Gordon Fiasco.

 

[deadhead]

Once we get past the top six or so, we see what you usually get with a 4th and 5th rd pick if you're lucky (if not, you get Dove-McFalls,
If you're picking in the 20s, your typical 4th rd pick is going to be around #120, 5th rd #150, 6th rd #180-85.

Wisdom #94, Millman #103, Strome #106, Sushko #107, Bunnaman #109, Dove-McFalls #98, Vorobyev #104

Desnoyers #135, St Ivany #112, Wylie #127, Ersson #143, Cates #137, Hogberg #139, Kase #128, Marody #158, Lindblom #138,

Laczynski #169, Salinitri #172, Fazleyev #168, Hain #174, Fedotov #188, Kalynuk #196, McClennon #178

Don't see a lot of top 6/top 4 types on these lists, maybe Millman in a few years. A couple goalie long-shots they've seem to hit.
So yeah, at this point, trading picks from the 4th to 7th rd to move up or for a veteran to patch a hole for a playoff run isn't a bad idea, they have plenty of bottom six/third pair types in the system.