Speculation: 2020-2021 General Lightning Discussion - Defending Champions Edition

[These Are The Days]

This post felt like a good place to start for the season to come simply because we're getting closer by the day.

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[These Are The Days]

The cap stress is overplayed in my opinion. We won our title with Stamkos having like 1 minute of TOI and on the backs of the usual suspects Hedman, Point etc with Goodrow and Coleman finding fantastic chemistry with Gourde. I haven't really said much on the matter but I love our odds to repeat. The flat cap affected a lot of teams from making any real power moves and whatever moves we have to make are probably being weighed by JBB to a time when everyone will be more option to negotiating as opposed to now. Smart dealing imo

 

[BeingTheThunder]

We're cup favorites... even if we have to lose Killorn, Cirelli, and Cernak. I don't want us to..obviously..but we can afford the losses and will still be the cup favorites. I don't know about you all but I love having a team THAT stacked. This seems like a good thread to make this statement.

 

[bov]

Unless I was reading into BriseBois' comments too much, it sounded like he wasn't worried at all. I have to imagine that deals are already in place and it's just a matter of making things official in the coming days/weeks.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

Brisebois is holding out to let Killorn get as many drinks out of the cup as he can get in.

 

[These Are The Days]

Unless I was reading into BriseBois' comments too much, it sounded like he wasn't worried at all. I have to imagine that deals are already in place and it's just a matter of making things official in the coming days/weeks.

I don't think you were at all. Tyler Johnson, Alex Killorn and Ceddy Paquette aren't suddenly worthless trash because cap space is limited league wide. Teams can and will trade for them. The fact we can't take on cap is why returns outside of draft picks would be marginal. You look at Alexander Steen retiring and tell me Alex Killorn is not a fit.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

I don't think you were at all. Tyler Johnson, Alex Killorn and Ceddy Paquette aren't suddenly worthless trash because cap space is limited league wide. Teams can and will trade for them. The fact we can't take on cap is why returns outside of draft picks would be marginal. You look at Alexander Steen retiring and tell me Alex Killorn is not a fit.

Killorn's Value goes up when Hoffman signs. When that happens, people will come knocking.

 

[These Are The Days]

Killorn's Value goes up when Hoffman signs. When that happens, people will come knocking.

Or even when Pacioretty gets traded -if that happens. The Knights just totally botched that one. Quite funny really

 

[Byrddog]

Tic Toc Tic Toc
Well today is panic day, if indeed there is going to be a season this has been the last best chance to move players out. Next week is Christmas week and not much is going to get done until after new years. Then its time to report to camp. Times up for hoping Johnson can be moved without real serious overpayment. It is also crucial for getting any remaining RFA's signed before they miss time in camp and regular season games.

Nothing indicates that JBB has a deal in place waiting on Hoffman to sign any longer. The team will get compliant but now the question is what will the cost be. It will be a package deal that does it, I think it will be Johnson, Cirelli and possibly a pick to Detroit or New Jersey to clear out of this mess maybe Cernak +++ but that limits JBB more when he signs Cirelli. Now it has been suggested that Joseph and Vol would sign for 700k min well I guess to stay in the league they might but you can bet there agents are looking for more since with bonuses each were over 900k last season.

So as the minutes tic by today the options grow dimmer. Teams are closing up shop getting ready for camp. Hopefully Bettman can work something out for a Jan 13 start we need hockey back and put this offseason behind us.

 

[These Are The Days]

Tic Toc Tic Toc
Well today is panic day, if indeed there is going to be a season this has been the last best chance to move players out. Next week is Christmas week and not much is going to get done until after new years. Then its time to report to camp. Times up for hoping Johnson can be moved without real serious overpayment. It is also crucial for getting any remaining RFA's signed before they miss time in camp and regular season games.

Nothing indicates that JBB has a deal in place waiting on Hoffman to sign any longer. The team will get compliant but now the question is what will the cost be. It will be a package deal that does it, I think it will be Johnson, Cirelli and possibly a pick to Detroit or New Jersey to clear out of this mess maybe Cernak +++ but that limits JBB more when he signs Cirelli. Now it has been suggested that Joseph and Vol would sign for 700k min well I guess to stay in the league they might but you can bet there agents are looking for more since with bonuses each were over 900k last season.

So as the minutes tic by today the options grow dimmer. Teams are closing up shop getting ready for camp. Hopefully Bettman can work something out for a Jan 13 start we need hockey back and put this offseason behind us.

Say what you want about Donald Fehr but his job is simple "Get the players the best deal possible" and he is going to do it. I think the concern for a lost season ought to be near 0 because vaccines are being distributed and there is too much at stake financially for all sides for the NHL to not get its hands on it and play through. That can and will figure itself out. The only concession I think us fans are to expect will be will be if the season is 56 or 48 games. And remember you can always scrap the bye week idea and cancel the ASG. January 13th was an excellent target date because you still have a buffer of a later start by 1 to 2 weeks if the teams need a little more time to get their ducks in a row. How this affects the Lightning is simple, JBB has nothing more than broad speculation to work with and so the fact we haven't seen anything or that our moves will have to happen in quick succession should not be any concern. I was confident enough last year to say "The Lightning are gonna win it all" due the fact it was not some earth-shattering prediction. That was probably like the safest thing I've ever said because this team had been expected to win for like 4 years and by rights should've won a title long before last season. But in the same vein I'm confident enough to predict a successful repeat because I don't see another team assembled strong enough to challenge our core despite whatever losses we incur.


If we end up in that trash central division sans St. Louis I think the Lightning are going to have more than enough time to learn how to overcome those losses and be strong by the playoffs. I also think we can expect JBB to be aggressive at the trade deadline once more.

 

[Peacefool]

The only thing that concers me is that Tampa always (last 3 years) started season very shaky and slow,but we always had 82 games,now we gonna have 48 or 56. I hope guys will start this season much better than last otherwise there is little time to fix problems)

 

[Letsgobolts21]

I think the NHL Canadian division is part of the hold up now. Canada may not let them play so (1) does that affect the divisions--I think they should still go with how they drew it up, but try and get them to relocate closer together and then (2) if they do scrap the division plan, do they go with the existing divisions.

On the trades, not sure about this, but I know players got a November paycheck, I assume they got or will get a December paycheck. If I'm acquiring TJ and shipping no $$ out, then might as well let Tampa pay him as long as possible. I may be wrong about that, but cash flow is a real thing now and if you have a deal in place where Tampa is paying you assets to take TJ, why take on that cash burden any earlier than needed.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Tic Toc Tic Toc
Well today is panic day, if indeed there is going to be a season this has been the last best chance to move players out. Next week is Christmas week and not much is going to get done until after new years. Then its time to report to camp. Times up for hoping Johnson can be moved without real serious overpayment. It is also crucial for getting any remaining RFA's signed before they miss time in camp and regular season games.

Nothing indicates that JBB has a deal in place waiting on Hoffman to sign any longer. The team will get compliant but now the question is what will the cost be. It will be a package deal that does it, I think it will be Johnson, Cirelli and possibly a pick to Detroit or New Jersey to clear out of this mess maybe Cernak +++ but that limits JBB more when he signs Cirelli. Now it has been suggested that Joseph and Vol would sign for 700k min well I guess to stay in the league they might but you can bet there agents are looking for more since with bonuses each were over 900k last season.

So as the minutes tic by today the options grow dimmer. Teams are closing up shop getting ready for camp. Hopefully Bettman can work something out for a Jan 13 start we need hockey back and put this offseason behind us.

Kylington just signed for league minimum. He's better than both.

 

[Todd1a]

Kylington just signed for league minimum. He's better than both.

wow lol he is

 

[Todd1a]

NHL, NHLPA Reportedly Reach Tentative Deal on 56-Game 2020-21 Season

 

[BoltzManConstant]

Well today is panic day

Should make this your signature.

 

[Todd1a]

Should make this your signature.

will if we start on January 13th by January 12th at 5pm we must be cap compliant!

 

[HoseEmDown]

Tic Toc Tic Toc
Well today is panic day, if indeed there is going to be a season this has been the last best chance to move players out. Next week is Christmas week and not much is going to get done until after new years. Then its time to report to camp. Times up for hoping Johnson can be moved without real serious overpayment. It is also crucial for getting any remaining RFA's signed before they miss time in camp and regular season games.

Nothing indicates that JBB has a deal in place waiting on Hoffman to sign any longer. The team will get compliant but now the question is what will the cost be. It will be a package deal that does it, I think it will be Johnson, Cirelli and possibly a pick to Detroit or New Jersey to clear out of this mess maybe Cernak +++ but that limits JBB more when he signs Cirelli. Now it has been suggested that Joseph and Vol would sign for 700k min well I guess to stay in the league they might but you can bet there agents are looking for more since with bonuses each were over 900k last season.

So as the minutes tic by today the options grow dimmer. Teams are closing up shop getting ready for camp. Hopefully Bettman can work something out for a Jan 13 start we need hockey back and put this offseason behind us.

You obviously don't know how contracts work. Joseph and Volkov didn't make anywhere near 900k last season. Joseph had no signing bonuses last season so no money there, he had 182k in performance bonuses but I doubt he hit any of those so got nothing there, his salary in the NHL is 700k but spent less than half the season there so maybe he got 350k of that, his minor salary is 70k and he spent about half the season there so 35k, so Joseph probably made 385k last year which is less than half of 900k. Volkov had a 92k signing bonus, he had no performance bonuses, his NHL salary was 832k but he spent maybe a quarter of the season there so 210k, his minor salary was 70k which he spent the majority of the year so say 50k, so he made around 350k last year again well below 900k. Mitchell Stephens who played more regular season as well as playoff games as either of them signed for 738k, so not sure how or why we would pay the other two 900k?

 

[DistantThunderRep]

You obviously don't know how contracts work. Joseph and Volkov didn't make anywhere near 900k last season. Joseph had no signing bonuses last season so no money there, he had 182k in performance bonuses but I doubt he hit any of those so got nothing there, his salary in the NHL is 700k but spent less than half the season there so maybe he got 350k of that, his minor salary is 70k and he spent about half the season there so 35k, so Joseph probably made 385k last year which is less than half of 900k. Volkov had a 92k signing bonus, he had no performance bonuses, his NHL salary was 832k but he spent maybe a quarter of the season there so 210k, his minor salary was 70k which he spent the majority of the year so say 50k, so he made around 350k last year again well below 900k. Mitchell Stephens who played more regular season as well as playoff games as either of them signed for 738k, so not sure how or why we would pay the other two 900k?

Because how else would he keep up the doomed narrative?

 

[The Gongshow]

Kuch, Point, healthy Stamkos, Palat, Hedman, McD, Serg, Vasi (+ 3rd line and Big Rig) still make us contenders.

The monkey is off their back now

 

[CupsOverCash]

Sounds like Minnesota switched with Dallas. Will be cool to play them in our division this year. Pick it up from the finals.

 

[Major4Boarding]

 

[Todd1a]

Kuch, Point, healthy Stamkos, Palat, Hedman, McD, Serg, Vasi (+ 3rd line and Big Rig) still make us contenders.

The monkey is off their back now

yep but can we keep palat or do we have to trade him

 

[DistantThunderRep]

yep but can we keep palat or do we have to trade him

We keep him. We would move Gourde before Palat.

 

[Sky04]

We keep him. We would move Gourde before Palat.

Doubtful, if you're at the point where Palat has to get traded then no one is going to take Gourde. Term is an issue for everybody and there's no way anyone takes 5 years of Gourde when they passed on Johnson. Palat only has 2 years remaining and is more attractive to teams if Johnson becomes immovable.