Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Thread: Oilers Picking 8th, Would You Take Caufield at #8?
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Bryanbryoil
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I agree, Kaliyev over Caufield for me too. That said IMO there should be better players than both at 8OA.
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BlackDogg
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I know he wouldn't do that either, but it still felt good taking one last shot at him....
McDNicks17
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Brock Otten released 31-50 of his final rankings today.
OHL Prospects: My Final Top 50 OHL Players for the 2019 NHL Entry Draft - Part 2: 31-50
Former Oiler's son alert!
OHL Prospects: My Final Top 50 OHL Players for the 2019 NHL Entry Draft - Part 2: 31-50
Former Oiler's son alert!
Every year I ask myself how come a team hasn't hired Brock to be their OHL scout. Guy is a legend.
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How about someone who is in the middle of 5'6 and 6'2.. Newhook vs Caufield vs Kaliyev as snipers at #8.
He is really good and very thorough. Although some of his reads are....extremely off at times.
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He's the guy I'm hoping for. Always a bit of hesitation with the JrA guys but seeing that he was able to do the same at the u18s against the top competition of his age group sold me. Versatility to plays either center or wing should be another big selling point over Caufield/Kaliyev as well.
I really don't see what people like in Newhook to want him at 8. There are going to be 3-4 much better prospects available there.
Zegras, Dach, Cozens, Turcotte, Boldy. 2 of those guys will most likely be available at 8.
BarDownBobo
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High end offensive skills and IQ along with elite skating. He reminds me a lot of Barzal. After Hughes, Kakko, Byram, Turcotte, Zegras and Dach I think there's a real fair argument that he could be the #7 guy in the draft right now. And I wouldn't be surprised to see those 6 all gone when the Oil are picking.
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The league makes it tough to compare because there aren't a lot of known quantities. A Tyson Jost type year except Jost played on a juggernaut club and behind a really good 20 year old in Scott Conway. I think Newhook is probably going to be measurably better than Jost. He won the scoring title and was 35pts better than the next draft eligible scorer who was his winger. I like him a lot at 11-15 but he seems like a bit of a reach in the top 10. Every scouting report talks about his blistering speed and skating ability and he was as good as Krebs and Cozens at the U18s but that is still a small sample. I think he is a safe pick because he stars alone on his team but at 8 you could actually land a top 5 talent in the draft and I don't think its him. It wouldn't break my heart if they took him though. Other than the top 3 they all have a bit of risk.
My big concern is the league he is in hasn't produced really anyone of note. I think Turris is the best player they have ever pumped out at forward?
I'm not saying he is a bad player or a bad choice, just that with who would be on the board I think he would definitely be a risky pick and a reach.
That said he could be a good player for sure, just don't see him as a top 10 talent right now, although his u18 did probably increase his stock.
Cale Makar came out of a league worse than Newhooks, and he looks like he'll be just fine.
Okay?
Doesn't mean there isn't risks taking players out of leagues like that.
Defenders are actually easier to get a read on from leagues like that compared to forwards too.
Out of these 3 guys, I'd take Newhook. I think he stood out at the U18's more than anyone else on the team. He has a great set of wheels and he's dynamic with the puck.
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Brock's 30-11 rankings: OHL Prospects: My Final Top 50 OHL Players for the 2019 NHL Entry Draft - Part 3: 30-11
His blurb on one of my favorites:
14. Ethan Keppen - Forward - Flint Firebirds
Here are Keppen's ranks among OHL draft eligible players for 5 on 5 production. Goals: 3rd (24), Primary assists: 2nd (18), Primary points: 4th (42), Shots: 2nd (171). That's pretty impressive and actually quite shocking. Keppen is a big kid at 6'2, 210lbs who would definitely be considered a power winger. He excels when he is aggressive in attacking the offensive zone, forcing his way to the net, and really bringing energy on the forecheck. He is a very dangerous player below the hash marks because of his size, but also because he processes the game well. Keppen's 2nd ranking in primary assists (as noted above) is no fluke. He is terrific at winning battles along the wall, only to spin off his check to find a driving teammate. And he is aggressive in driving the net, which also creates second chance opportunities that his linemates can take advantage of. Keppen also possesses a terrific shot, one of the heavier ones in the age group. All things considered, Keppen is one of the most well rounded wingers available from the OHL this year. So why is he at 14? I do have some concerns about his high end upside at the next level. I am not confident that his puck skill is as good as it will need to be to be a top line player. And while his skating is not an issue at the OHL level, I do think that there is room for improvement as he looks to establish himself as more of a factor in transition. But even if you end up with a Zach Hyman kind of player, isn't that worth a second or third round selection?
His blurb on one of my favorites:
14. Ethan Keppen - Forward - Flint Firebirds
Here are Keppen's ranks among OHL draft eligible players for 5 on 5 production. Goals: 3rd (24), Primary assists: 2nd (18), Primary points: 4th (42), Shots: 2nd (171). That's pretty impressive and actually quite shocking. Keppen is a big kid at 6'2, 210lbs who would definitely be considered a power winger. He excels when he is aggressive in attacking the offensive zone, forcing his way to the net, and really bringing energy on the forecheck. He is a very dangerous player below the hash marks because of his size, but also because he processes the game well. Keppen's 2nd ranking in primary assists (as noted above) is no fluke. He is terrific at winning battles along the wall, only to spin off his check to find a driving teammate. And he is aggressive in driving the net, which also creates second chance opportunities that his linemates can take advantage of. Keppen also possesses a terrific shot, one of the heavier ones in the age group. All things considered, Keppen is one of the most well rounded wingers available from the OHL this year. So why is he at 14? I do have some concerns about his high end upside at the next level. I am not confident that his puck skill is as good as it will need to be to be a top line player. And while his skating is not an issue at the OHL level, I do think that there is room for improvement as he looks to establish himself as more of a factor in transition. But even if you end up with a Zach Hyman kind of player, isn't that worth a second or third round selection?
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I flip-flop seemingly every single day on this.
Probably
Cozens
Krebs
Dach
Newhook for me right now.
I'm sure most of you have seen this or already following scouching on twitter but his site has a nice tableau if you want a quick visual of the 2019 draft eligibles with some advanced stats.
Scouching's Prospect Profiler
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A profiling tool for >600 2019 NHL Draft Prospects. Follow Scouching: twitter.com/Scouching instagram.com/Scouching_Will patreon.com/Scouching
Probably
Cozens
Krebs
Dach
Newhook for me right now.
I'm sure most of you have seen this or already following scouching on twitter but his site has a nice tableau if you want a quick visual of the 2019 draft eligibles with some advanced stats.
Scouching's Prospect Profiler
Free to use.
A profiling tool for >600 2019 NHL Draft Prospects. Follow Scouching: twitter.com/Scouching instagram.com/Scouching_Will patreon.com/Scouching
McDNicks17
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Scouch just released his draft tracker too. Lots of good stuff in there although I think the USNTDP numbers are incomplete.
Scouching's 2019 NHL Draft Prospect Tracker
There's a few stats that the less analytics-inclined people might find interesting.
Individual Point Percentage(IPP): It tells you how often a player got a point on a goal that was scored while he was on the ice. Krebs is notable here. Leads the class with 86.6%.
Offensive Catalyst Percentage(Off.Ca): It tells you the rate the team scores at with the player on the ice compared to when he's off of it. Kaliyev sticks out in regards to this one at 138.4%. That means the Bulldogs scored at close to 2.5 times the rate with Kaliyev on the ice compared to when off of it.
Defensive Catalyst Percentage(Def.Ca): Same thing as above, but goals against instead of goals for. Krebs is notable here, but as a negative this time. He has the worst Def.Ca at 64.19% meaning Kootenay got scored on at a fairly significant rate higher when he was on the ice compared to when he was off of it. Leason and Brink are at the opposite end with extremely good numbers.
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