2019-20 Roster Thread XVI: The season is a marathon

[Curufinwe]

Frost and Farabee and any other rookie who is starting their pro career in 19-20 won't have to be protected in the 2021 expansion draft.

 

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Frost and Farabee and any other rookie who is starting their pro career in 19-20 won't have to be protected in the 2021 expansion draft.

Ooh, interesting. So the considerations for their making the team will be purely based on what's best for the team and their development.

 

[Starat327]

Ooh, interesting. So the considerations for their making the team will be purely based on what's best for the team and their development.

In a perfect world, yes.

In reality? Not necessarily.

 

[Rebels57]

At this point. With Couts here and killing it. Frost coming and killing it along the way. And Hayes being acquired. Where does Patrick most likely end up if you had to say? 3C? 2C? Seattle?

Patrick will be 3C until he outplays Hayes and moves him to wing or 3C. Easy peasy.

 

[TB87]

Anyone else confused by the “bring me Laine” crowd on twitter? It has a whiff of: “I only look at his boxscore stats and ignore all of his deficiencies.”

- compete level
- back-checking
- focus in defensive coverage
- doesn’t win as many 50/50 battles as he should

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Hmm...

 

[Starat327]

Anyone else confused by the “bring me Laine” crowd on twitter? It has a whiff of: “I only look at his boxscore stats and ignore all of his deficiencies.”

- compete level
- back-checking
- focus in defensive coverage
- doesn’t win as many 50/50 battles as he should

But imagine our Fortnite dominance.

Any deal with us acquiring Laine would have to see us sending Voracek back. We cant afford it otherwise.

Hell, we probably cant even afford it if we do.

 

[Curufinwe]

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[TheKingPin]

2C. Patrick is going to be better than Frost and Hayes. Big, fast, talented, defensively excellent. Couts 2.0.

I am optimistic for him as well. He has a lot of tools. Just needs to put a few things together and he will be good. He strikes me a as guy who takes it slow as opposed to a guy that you are always waiting for them to put the parts together. I hope he starts this season faster with more confidence so he takes it to the net more a shoots more

 

[Rebels57]

Anyone else confused by the “bring me Laine” crowd on twitter? It has a whiff of: “I only look at his boxscore stats and ignore all of his deficiencies.”

- compete level
- back-checking
- focus in defensive coverage
- doesn’t win as many 50/50 battles as he should

There was a time that Ovie was criticized for his effort on defense too. Laine might improve in those areas as he matures. Then again he might not.

 

[deadhead]

Werenski a 3x5 on a bridge to his "Trouba contract" is reasonable, that seems to be the going rate for the top RFAs.

 

[Larry44]

I am optimistic for him as well. He has a lot of tools. Just needs to put a few things together and he will be good. He strikes me a as guy who takes it slow as opposed to a guy that you are always waiting for them to put the parts together. I hope he starts this season faster with more confidence so he takes it to the net more a shoots more

All Nolan needs is not to get a concussion in October, like he has his first two seasons. If he can play a healthy season, knock wood, he is going to break out the way Couts did.

 

[Larry44]

Werenski a 3x5 on a bridge to his "Trouba contract" is reasonable, that seems to be the going rate for the top RFAs.

Just wanted to post this to get around the restriction on using the 'd' word!
Hopefully the floodgates will open....

 

[Curufinwe]

All Nolan needs is not to get a concussion in October, like he has his first two seasons. If he can play a healthy season, knock wood, he is going to break out the way Couts did.

It was never confirmed that he suffered a concussion in October 2018. The fact the team immediately gave him a 7-10 day timeline for returning would suggest it could have been another type of UBI, e.g. to his shoulder.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...d-line-center-out-7-10-days-upper-body-injury

 

[VladDrag]

Anyone else confused by the “bring me Laine” crowd on twitter? It has a whiff of: “I only look at his boxscore stats and ignore all of his deficiencies.”

- compete level
- back-checking
- focus in defensive coverage
- doesn’t win as many 50/50 battles as he should

**In General**

I do think there is a place for Laine types in the NHL, and even on this team. Yes, you prefer players to possess hustle and competent two-way play, and a high compete level. However, the ultimate goal is to outscore the opponent, and 30-40 goal scorers don't grow on trees. There are legitimate circumstances (linemates, deployment etc) where Laine's deficiencies are minimized and his skills are maximized.

Specifically to Laine -- the cost to acquire him is likely to be too high to make sense based solely on the name and not performance.

 

[TB87]

There was a time that Ovie was criticized for his effort on defense too. Laine might improve in those areas as he matures. Then again he might not.

At the same age:
Ovi was a better skater
Ovi’s compete level was far more consistent
Ovi won way more battles
Ovi transitioned cleanly on the regular
Ovi was a better passer
Ovi bulldozed his way to the slot on the regular

 

[Rebels57]

At the same age:
Ovi was a better skater
Ovi’s compete level was far more consistent
Ovi won way more battles
Ovi transitioned cleanly on the regular
Ovi was a better passer
Ovi bulldozed his way to the slot on the regular

All true. It's definitely not a 1-for-1 comparison.

 

[TB87]

**In General**

I do think there is a place for Laine types in the NHL, and even on this team. Yes, you prefer players to possess hustle and competent two-way play, and a high compete level. However, the ultimate goal is to outscore the opponent, and 30-40 goal scorers don't grow on trees. There are legitimate circumstances (linemates, deployment etc) where Laine's deficiencies are minimized and his skills are maximized.

Specifically to Laine -- the cost to acquire him is likely to be too high to make sense based solely on the name and not performance.

The cost of acquiring him (& signing him) should be a non-starter for the Flyers.

 

[TB87]

All true. It's definitely not a 1-for-1 comparison.

The defensive aspect is certainly similar though

 

[Larry44]

It was never confirmed that he suffered a concussion in October 2018. The fact the team immediately gave him a 7-10 day timeline for returning would suggest it could have been another type of UBI, e.g. to his shoulder.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...d-line-center-out-7-10-days-upper-body-injury

Did you watch his head bounce off the glass in that clip? Quibble away...

 

[Curufinwe]

I didn't, because he's barely even in the frame when they show the hit from Stone 34 seconds into the clip on that linked article. But it was his shoulder that went into the glass.

You must be thinking of the previous year's hit which was against Anaheim.

 

[TheKingPin]

All Nolan needs is not to get a concussion in October, like he has his first two seasons. If he can play a healthy season, knock wood, he is going to break out the way Couts did.

I think Couts was revved up playing D while still developing on that DL. Then he got a better role and went off. I think Patrick just has to continue upwards. I’m thinking 45-55 pts. Anything above that this year is outstanding.

 

[BiggE]

I think Couts was revved up playing D while still developing on that DL. Then he got a better role and went off. I think Patrick just has to continue upwards. I’m thinking 45-55 pts. Anything above that this year is outstanding.

If they get 75-80 points from Couturier, 55-60 from Hayes and 45-50 from Patrick, I’ll be very happy.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I will take 40-45 points from Patrick. Needs to show a ton more consistency on the ice. He needs to trust his instincts and talent. This is a big year for him. If he shows more of the same inconsistencies this season then he could be moved out of town.
Show us why the Flyers took you 2 OV kid

 

[Beef Invictus]

If they get 75-80 points from Couturier, 55-60 from Hayes and 45-50 from Patrick, I’ll be very happy.

If our Top 6 does that (considering Hayes two-way play) then merely competent defense and goaltending will suffice.