Salary Cap: 2019-20 money talk$$$$

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I guess we dont have an active thread to discuss the cap situation for this upcoming year and maybe speculated a bit about how next year is shaping up too... will be interesting to see what krug/coyle/debrusk do as far as extension this year

I wont set off a pipebomb here to get things started... my ideas about the cap are fairly easy to find... but the joel edmunson salary arbitration award of 3.1 mill is interesting I think

hes a no-offense 6'4 second pair dman who has now gotten 6.1 mill for this year and last year combind...

does that help us hold the line on carlo? can carlo and his agent see it as a comparable they might settle for?

I would prefer carlo on a 4x4 deal which is similar to what guys like jonan brodin were signing for before the recent rfa contracts went up. most the guys that got 4x4 create more offense than carlo

if carlo doesnt accept 4x4 I sure wouldnt mind a 1 year deal around 3 mill... its better than what nurse got in Edmonton for the player...

its the same as edmunson… is it a fair comparable I wonder?

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[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Toronto has finished their salary management for this off-season... was it the disaster I predicted or did they postpone the bleeding for another year?

upfront they still have an impressive top 6 if nylander doesnt suck again like last year... but what happened to their third line depth and does their 4th line have anyone that would even make our team?

their defense got more mobile maybe... id say barrie is better than gardiner and that ceci is better than haisey… but they had to give up a first round pick to make the room and there is NO CAP FOR NEXT YEAR

speaking of NO CAP... I wonder how they think they are going to take hyman off ltir when he gets healthy???

id hate to be a fan of theirs because honestly, the Toronto window seems ready to close and did they ever win a playoff round?

maybe the league said it didnt want to re-open negotiations... but for now, the poison cool-aid in Toronto is still being drank and a lot of them blamed marner/not the system for the holdout... we shall see how this continues to play out

meanwhile here in boston camp is going and our 2 guys still havent been signed. dom is pretty dialed in on a lot of inside info and he has been saying that the framework of a deal is pretty much done... I heard mention that lockout protection is the last little stickler. with provolov and werenski being signed this week I think we know where McAvoy is at.

carlo might have to bite the bullet and come in lower than the 4 mill I thought he would get. his lack of offense is the killer. maybe we see him take the bridge and who knows... maybe we see him try to develop his offense game like morrisey did so he can get paid at 24... at least thats what id be telling him now if I was his agent.

so updated predictions... McAvoy coming in a bit under 7 mill on a 6-7 year deal
and carlo going the 2 year deal at around 3 mill... a bit more for McAvoy/a bit less for carlo… but still around the 10 mill most of us thought

once again bruins have done a pretty mastiful job with the cap specially compared to those guys in Canadas center of the universe

 

[dredeye]

I wouldn’t say the Bruins have masterfully managed the cap. We have 7 million in cap space and your best case scenario has the two signing for around 10 million. Something needs to be shaken loose. Maybe they are waiting to ltir someone and that does it but we are in trouble no matter how you shake it

 

[bob27]

I wouldn’t say the Bruins have masterfully managed the cap. We have 7 million in cap space and your best case scenario has the two signing for around 10 million. Something needs to be shaken loose. Maybe they are waiting to ltir someone and that does it but we are in trouble no matter how you shake it

Yeah, they have almost 10 million tied to Backes, Seidenberg and Beleskey. Not exactly a masterclass of cap management. Toronto has overpaid their top players, but that's a better problem to have than just wasting your cap space to dead assets.

 

[DKH]

I guess we dont have an active thread to discuss the cap situation for this upcoming year and maybe speculated a bit about how next year is shaping up too... will be interesting to see what krug/coyle/debrusk do as far as extension this year

I wont set off a pipebomb here to get things started... my ideas about the cap are fairly easy to find... but the joel edmunson salary arbitration award of 3.1 mill is interesting I think

hes a no-offense 6'4 second pair dman who has now gotten 6.1 mill for this year and last year combind...

does that help us hold the line on carlo? can carlo and his agent see it as a comparable they might settle for?

I would prefer carlo on a 4x4 deal which is similar to what guys like jonan brodin were signing for before the recent rfa contracts went up. most the guys that got 4x4 create more offense than carlo

if carlo doesnt accept 4x4 I sure wouldnt mind a 1 year deal around 3 mill... its better than what nurse got in Edmonton for the player...

its the same as edmunson… is it a fair comparable I wonder?

Carlo My guess ain’t getting 4 M if Werenski got 5 M

 

[BruinsBtn]

If Clifton is as good as he was in the playoffs, that contract is going to be magic. $1m for four more years.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Carlo My guess ain’t getting 4 M if Werenski got 5 M

And this is why he remains unsigned

 

[Fenway]

The Bruins even with mistakes didn't crash and burn like the Blackhawks and Kings

The main issue with the cap is while the stars are getting their money, the players in the middle and bottom are being lowballed.

I have no idea how to fix it

 

[JOKER 192]

The Bruins even with mistakes didn't crash and burn like the Blackhawks and Kings

The main issue with the cap is while the stars are getting their money, the players in the middle and bottom are being lowballed.

I have no idea how to fix it

This is why I believe you have to stand firm with RFA's and not follow the examples we've seen of overpaying out of ELC. No idea why managers are falling for this. It goes against the way the system wass designed to work.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

The Bruins even with mistakes didn't crash and burn like the Blackhawks and Kings

The main issue with the cap is while the stars are getting their money, the players in the middle and bottom are being lowballed.

I have no idea how to fix it

They seem to be making out alright at the end of the day, even if they're being lowballed. You always see teams overpay those middle/bottom players in free agency.

 

[Over the volcano]

Yeah, they have almost 10 million tied to Backes, Seidenberg and Beleskey. Not exactly a masterclass of cap management. Toronto has overpaid their top players, but that's a better problem to have than just wasting your cap space to dead assets.

What about wasting your 1st round picks to clear not enough cap space? I like our problems compared to theirs.

 

[bob27]

What about wasting your 1st round picks to clear not enough cap space? I like our problems compared to theirs.

Yeah, it was a mistake to sign a 30+ year old UFA to multi-year deal with 6 million dollar AAV. Don't think anybody is denying that. Having superstars in their early 20s on big money deals isn't a big issue though.

 

[Over the volcano]

Yeah, it was a mistake to sign a 30+ year old UFA to multi-year deal with 6 million dollar AAV. Don't think anybody is denying that. Having superstars in their early 20s on big money deals isn't a big issue though.

I prefer having superstars in their early 20’s on medium money deals

 

[Prince Pasta]

Its amazing that Carlo hasnt signed yet since the Pesce deal is a perfect 1:1 comparison, these RFA negotiations are getting ridiculous. Id say work it into a cba BUT then wed have a lockout so we are stuck with it

 

[DominicT]

The Bruins even with mistakes didn't crash and burn like the Blackhawks and Kings

The main issue with the cap is while the stars are getting their money, the players in the middle and bottom are being lowballed.

I have no idea how to fix it

Some of us thought owners would be looking for a cap on second contracts in the current CBA negotiations.

You may find it hard to believe, but its the players that are now looking for a cap on second contracts.

Seeing the turnover in players since the current CBA was negotiated - makes it hard to believe. But I can see why they would push for it. Eventually, the current players will be pushed out for younger, cheaper players.

 

[UncleRico]

What about wasting your 1st round picks to clear not enough cap space? I like our problems compared to theirs.

I would give up a first round draft pick right now to get rid of Backes contract if it meant we can sign a 2nd line RW for krejci as well as sign McAvoy and Carlo

 

[Over the volcano]

I would give up a first round draft pick right now to get rid of Backes contract if it meant we can sign a 2nd line RW for krejci as well as sign McAvoy and Carlo

Too bad it doesn’t work that way... just ask the leafs.

 

[UncleRico]

Too bad it doesn’t work that way... just ask the leafs.

You’re going to have to explain...

 

[member 96824]

This is why I believe you have to stand firm with RFA's and not follow the examples we've seen of overpaying out of ELC. No idea why managers are falling for this. It goes against the way the system wass designed to work.

Why?

I’d rather pay RFAs than UFAs, that’s for damn sure

 

[member 96824]

Not wanting to pay RFAs reminds me of that anonymous GM quote that was going around from June 30

“I’m trying to move bad contracts so I can give out more tomorrow”

 

[dredeye]

It’ll be nice to be rid of the beleskey and Seids money next year. That should pretty much cover Debrusks extension. I feel like if we can move Miller it’ll give us the space we need. That Backes deal is what really haunts us. That Moore deal was a bad one when signed as well. No idea why we gave him so much term.

 

[JOKER 192]

Why?

I’d rather pay RFAs than UFAs, that’s for damn sure

Stabbed or shot take your pick. I'd rather pay players in their prime, not before , not after. Only one way to that. ELC,Bridge 3-4 years,RFA mixed with UFA

 

[ODAAT]

think there was a time where players were paid for what they had done in the past and often they struggled to reach that plateau again and teams got burned

Nowadays, I find players are getting big paydays based on what they expect they will be

Marner is a terrific player but that number is crazy. Anyways, it ain`t our problem here but I`ll wager by the deadline, the Leafs will have to move someone out, my guess is Nylander will wind up being the odd man out

 

[Over the volcano]

You’re going to have to explain...

They gave up a first to be rid of Marleau - couldn’t sign a new top six forward and most likely won’t be able to resign their defensemen next year. Oh and they won’t have that pick to lean on as young inexpensive talent to fill out their line up in a couple years. I like our problems better than theirs.

 

[UncleRico]

They gave up a first to be rid of Marleau - couldn’t sign a new top six forward and most likely won’t be able to resign their defensemen next year. Oh and they won’t have that pick to lean on as young inexpensive talent to fill out their line up in a couple years. I like our problems better than theirs.

Bruins are in an entirely different situation if we give up a first rounder to move backes. Bruins already have $7.29m in cap space right now with a full 23 man roster. If they trade a 1st to move backes that figure moves up to $13.29m with 22 filled roster spots. Sign Carlo 3x3.5 and McAvoy 4X6.75 (@Dom - OHL estimates on contracts) that leaves $3.04m in cap space but the bruins would have 24 rostered players. So you need to send one downS then if you sign a 2nd line RW you need to send down 2 players. Freeing up $1.5m to $2m putting us roughly at $4.54 or $5.04m in cap space with one extra roster spot for a 2nd line RW.

If more cap space was needed Moore or Miller to LTIR would free up another $2.5m or $2.75m.

Boston and Toronto’s cap situations aren’t even close to similar. Unfortunately the Bruins have waited too far into the offseason to put these plans into motion to grab a 2nd line RW but it was doable.