2018 BBWAA award finalists announced

[UNB Bruins Fan]

What about team success? Andujar was a big reason why the Yankees won 100 games and even a healthy Ohtani doesn't get the Angels past Oakland in the WC standings

I’ve never heard of team success playing any kind of role in the RoY award. Perhaps I’m wrong, but it’s always just been who has had the best season.

 

[Terry Yake]

AL ROY could have very well gone both ways

ohtani and andujar were both deserving

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

The amount of innings ohtani pitched at an elite level, plus better at the plate, plus Andujar playing a horrible third base more than make up for the PA difference.

Really surprised how people don't see that. Actually no I am not.

Andujar had better numbers hitting.

I don't think anyone should get an award playing in only 104 games.

You wouldn't give someone the Hart for only 40 games

 

[Static]

Andujar had better numbers hitting.

I don't think anyone should get an award playing in only 104 games.

You wouldn't give someone the Hart for only 40 games

No, Andujar didn't have better numbers hitting. If you're talking counting stats then this isn't even a discussion because you're in the wrong decade.

 

[Static]

It’s what voting writers do in hockey, McDavid didn’t get Hart Trophy because his teammates are general ****ups. Also lost his ROY because of injury, I’m glad baseball voters are smarter.

But as a Yankee fan I’m totally ok with Ohtani. Special player.

Yep. If that's what the award is, and if so that's fine, then there should be a better outline of what people are actually voting for.

There is a clear divide between people voting for the best indvidual player and those voting for the players who made the biggest contributions on the best teams. Those two criteria aren't close to being the same.

 

[rangerssharks414]

Surprised Kyle Freeland didn't get an NL Cy Young finalist nod.

Over who? He probably won't even be in the top 10.

 

[rangerssharks414]

What about team success? Andujar was a big reason why the Yankees won 100 games and even a healthy Ohtani doesn't get the Angels past Oakland in the WC standings

It's an individual award.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Snitker grabs NL manager. Happy for him.

 

[HammerTime44]

Over who? He probably won't even be in the top 10.

I agree he doesn't deserve to be a finalist, but he absolutely belongs in the top 10. Heck he should be top 5. He was really good this year.

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

And introducing your 2018 Cy Young winners:

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

So whose the one relic who didn't give deGrom the 1st place vote because "WINZ!!1!1" and/or team success?

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Top to bottom predictable, but correct.

 

[SSF]

man, the writers have nailed it thus far.
hard to say much else.

 

[Elvis P]

It's an individual award.

By this argument a goalie with zero wins could win the Vezina.

 

[Evincar]

By this argument a goalie with zero wins could win the Vezina.

An absurd example but I would be okay with it. The Win stat needs to be abolished in all sports.

 

[darko]

Andujar had better numbers hitting.

He didn't. Andujar had an edge in counting stats because he had nearly 300 more at bats. Ohtani performed at an elite level albeit smaller sample size.

 

[darko]

man, the writers have nailed it thus far.
hard to say much else.

I would've given it to Cole and Verlander before Snell but Snell had a great year. They nailed the rest.

 

[Machinehead]

I agree he doesn't deserve to be a finalist, but he absolutely belongs in the top 10. Heck he should be top 5. He was really good this year.

8.2 WAR

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I would've given it to Cole and Verlander before Snell but Snell had a great year. They nailed the rest.

sorry, i dont see it.

short of being a "but innings pitched!" stalwart there's no argument for Verlander over Snell.

Snell beats him by a good amount in ERA, ERA+ and WAR

 

[Filthy Dangles]

8.2 WAR

4.2 fwar

 

[Filthy Dangles]

sorry, i dont see it.

short of being a "but innings pitched!" stalwart there's no argument for Verlander over Snell.

Snell beats him by a good amount in ERA, ERA+ and WAR

There's actually a pretty decent argument. Verlander had a higher SO Rate, lower walk rate, better WHIP over 34 more innings or 102 more outs.

Snell had an 88% strand rate and .241 BABIP so im gonna say the results he got in terms of ERA this year won't be sustainable. That doesn't take away from his great season but he definitely got more luck and good fortune than most pitchers this year

 

[Machinehead]

4.2 fwar

Fair.

 

[darko]

sorry, i dont see it.

short of being a "but innings pitched!" stalwart there's no argument for Verlander over Snell.

Snell beats him by a good amount in ERA, ERA+ and WAR

30-odd innings is a lot. That's probably 5 starts.

 

[Filthy Dangles]