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Q&A: Steve Valiquette's radical approach to evaluating shots...
This article is awesome and a great counter to the "heat map" type of analytics that just show where the shots come from without context, and if you watch enough hockey it probably reinforces what feels intuitive.
This article is awesome and a great counter to the "heat map" type of analytics that just show where the shots come from without context, and if you watch enough hockey it probably reinforces what feels intuitive.
Serious question, can Stammer be effective as a 3rd line C, getting him away from other top lines? He is just not a top liner anymore. Great on the PP. decent in the circle.
Can Cirelli play with Kuch?
Can Cirelli play with Kuch?
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Why would we want to punish Killorn and Joseph who had great games?
The question is who would be effective linemates for Stamkos. Most of our other forwards mesh well, he's the anchor in just about every scenario
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I’m starting to think it’s not about getting stammer going anymore. Plenty of firepower on this team. Let him produce on the PP and reinvent himself as a bottom 6 forward.
Yeah. I honestly don't think Stamkos can beat up on poor defenders without some help. But getting him that help also draws better defenders. If anything, maybe we should do it just in case there are teams who don't scout us very well and they still match Stamkos up like he's a top line center, leaving the actual top-six up against the occasional weaker pair.
So frustrated with Stammer right now. I mean, I'm kind of resigned to think of him as a 30-30 guy now, and I think we could do worse than that. BUT he has to accept that role and not make bonehead plays when the puck's on his stick for more than a split second because "I'm a playmaker too!" or whatever the ****.
Need to get Kuch going without disrupting the Point line. When healthy maybe give Kuch Miller and Palat with Miller at C?
Maybe Cirelli and Killorn. I think the line would be kind of terrible, but then we could move Joseph up. He had a good game last night, and would at least play a role in the top-six (zone entries), rather than just being a warm body.
Or maybe put Kucherov with something like Miller and Cirelli, to allow us to keep our second line intact. Before Palat gets back anyway. So maybe:
Miller-Cirelli-Kucherov
Gourde-Point-Johnson
Killorn-Stamkos-Joseph
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He was only really good at the beginning of last season. Aside from 3 or so games in the Washington series, he's been playing at about this level since somewhere around December, 2017. And, really, whenever he does up his game, which does happen, it never lasts.
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His shot can't be replaced, but if he's not going to use it whats the point? Every other facet of his game including his captaincy could be replaced with ease. Throw him a nice party, an over the top tribute that he deserves but that 8.5m could be easily spent better. This teams done well without Stamkos in the lineup before, where as if Kucherov and Point went down with injury does anyone have confidence Stamkos can step up and lead the offense?
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That's the thing with current Stamkos that's the most frustrating, consistently being inconsistent. He could score a hat trick next game on 3/3 shots and go shotless the following game passing up a bunch of opportunities, he has no self awareness of his limitations.
They mentioned it last night that he asked Miller to teach him how to shield the puck in practice, no surprise since this guy has been playing pick-up style hockey in the NHL the past 10 years.
I always go back to PP vs. ES.
Stamkos is basically a PP scorer now. But does our PP hurt a whole lot when he's not on it? Seems to me like the only thing that happens is Kucherov becomes the trigger-man, and that might be better anyway. It's on par, at the very least.
At ES, I don't think even Stamkos's remaining supporters believe he's much of a threat. I keep going back to this, but he had ES goals last year. He has one so far this year, which I believe puts him even with Ryan Callahan. And anybody who thinks Stamkos is valuable for his playmaking ability is lying to themselves. Yes, he makes the occasional nice, skillful play, like the set-up on Kuch's goal a few games back. But he doesn't do it a whole lot more often than the average player, and the bulk of his assists last year (not all, but most) were pretty pedestrian.
If he's not scoring goals, we have better options for our prime roles.
We've actually just seen an example of this. Stamkos put up three points vs. NJ, and it instilled pretty much no confidence in the fanbase because we all knew the pendulum could immediately swing the other way, which it did, and he'd have a terrible showing.
So I mean, yeah, if he scores a hat trick next game, I don't know that it instills a whole lot more faith. It's been going on too long now.
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Might get a bunch of "suck it haters" comments that'll last all of 24 hours.
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Wow I was thinking the majority of the elite players would be too proud to do something like that...especially when you are a veteran and a captain and asking someone younger who's recently joined the team. I honestly like that attitude. Hopefully he'll still keep learning from anyone. Nice info!
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If we could move Stammer, Duchene would be the perfect addition IMO. Perfect #2 behind Point.
We are stuck with Stammer though, and it's sad to say it because I really like him as a person and player.
We are stuck with Stammer though, and it's sad to say it because I really like him as a person and player.
Yeah, I think it's important to separate the personality side from everything else.
Duchene would be tricky, I think, because, as a UFA, he could get pretty big offers. I mean, Montreal is probably going to offer him a key to the city and a provincial holiday. Just so they can say they have finally lured a #1C. And it would also be tricky because we'd have to move Stamkos on good faith that we're gonna land Duchene, so the timing of it would be tricky.
Like, say we have a pretty good idea we're gonna land Duchene in the pre-July 1 window that opens for GMs to talk to UFAs. That gives us a very short period to work out a deal for Stamkos, which, I'm assuming, would be super complex.
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