Discussion in 'Colorado Avalanche' started by RockLobster, Jun 8, 2018.
17-18 season is over, time for the 18-19 thread!
The results of the prospect ranking polls are in!
PositionPlayerDraft2018 Rank2017 RankChangeRDCale Makar2017 #41 (100%)10RWMartin Kaut2018 #162 (49.1%)--RDConor Timmins2017 #323 (70.8%)7+4CShane Bowers2017 #28 (TR)4 (76.1%)--RDNicolas Meloche2015 #405 (61%)4-1CVladislav Kamenev2014 #42 (TR)6 (72.1%)--CIgor Shvyrev2017 #1257 (65.2%)10+3LWAJ Greer2015 #398 (71.6%)6-2LWTy LewisUndrafted9 (28%)--LWTyler Weiss2018 #10910 (29.2%)--LWSampo Ranta2018 #7811 (32.9%)--GJustus Annunen2018 #6412 (40.3%)--RWNikolai Kovalenko2018 #17113 (35.5%)--LWCam Morrison2016 #4014 (47.5%)11-3CJC Beaudin2015 #7115 (60%)9-6RWNick Henry2017 #9416 (58.6%)15-1LDDanila Zhuravlyov2018 #15617 (27.3%)--LDNick Leivermann2017 #18718 (32%)25+7LWDenis Smirnov2017 #15619 (53.7%)17-2LWTravis Barron2016 #19120 (22.7%)24+4CJosh DickinsonUndrafted21 (29.8%)--CBrandon Saigeon2018 #14022 (28.3%)--LDSergei Boikov2015 #16123 (31.3%)19-4LDJosh Anderson2016 #7124 (29.5%)22-2GAdam Werner2016 #13125 (43.9%)NR+1HONORABLE MENTIONS
PositionPlayerDraft2018 Rank2017 RankGSpencer Martin2013 #63HM12RDNathan Clurman2016 #161HM18GShamil Shmakov2018 #202HM-GPetr Kvaca2017 #114HM23RWLogan O'ConnorUndraftedHM-
Go bananas, young man!
Smiley game having an off day.
Once we're done, update your post with the rankings so it will make it easier to find if anybody like myself would want to come back to it!
Appreciate what TV has provided over the years, but considering she's done here it'll be nice to hear some new in depth prospect evaluations.
Very curious to how this list will play out this year...
My early crack at the Top 10 is probably something like....
1. Cale Makar
2. Connor Timmins
3. Shane Bowers
4. #16 Pick
5. Nicolas Meloche
6. Vladislav Kamenev
7. AJ Greer
9. Cam Morrison
10. #58 Pick
Mr and Mrs Pick are weird people. Who in their right mind would name their kids #16, #47 and #58? These guys must be triplets then.
Calvin Pickard had triplets when he was 8 years old. And they're all very good hockey players.
You didn't know?
Top 4 / Top 6 guys:
Middle 6 / Top 9 guys:
Though that 47th pick could easily end up a legit top 6 or top 4 prospect like those in the 1st group...depending on which way we go with that pick.
Something something Meloche and Shvyryov above Bowers, of course.
A potential scoring liner & a potential 2/3 dman > a potential 2C
*unintelligible murmuring about cgf's prospect hard-ons*
So a scoring line winger is more valuable than a scoring line center? Because 2nd line is still a scoring line. Even when used as a matchup line, it is still expected to score. Unless you are projecting Shvyryov to replace Rantanen or Landeskog on MacK's line?
Also, by your list, Meloche is the #3 RD, not counting what we already have. I would think that puts his ceiling at mid/bottom pairing, at least for the Avs. Nobody has locked down the 2C spot yet, and although there are guys ahead of him (Jost, Kerfoot, Compher, Kamenev), some will slide to wing, some will cap out as 3rd/4th liners. 2C > 3rd pair D. But again, these are all expectations at this point.
Shvyryov potential as an Av caps out at 2nd line winger. Bowers caps out as 2nd line center. Center is more valuable IMO, but there is more room for a winger...so they are pretty close as far as total value, as Bowers will have to beat out more guys to lock down that 2C spot.
Personally, I put Bowers in the second tier, along with Shvyryov and Meloche, and maybe Kamenev. Third tier is Greer, 47, 58, etc. Top tier is Makar, Timmins and #16 as long as they don't screw the pick.
Seems like shuffling the deck.
Makar might have the higher upside, but Timmins had the much better year. 16th will be a good asset in this deep draft. Bowers potential is understated after a great season at BU, will have a better idea after next year. Kamenev has been an exceptional AHL player the last 3 years and likely making the AVs roster this season. Shvyryov is an unknown and not sure if his skills can translate with the smaller ice. Meloche has steadily improved after early season struggles due to the AHL affiliate and injuries. Greer is borderline 3rd or 4th liner and might be a serviceable trade asset. I changed the last pick for Lewis after reaching 100 points for the season, doubtful #58 would be a better player.
Thanks for making me explain the joke...
but a) how we end up using a prospect doesn't retroactive change their talent & upside beyond affecting their development in the NHL...nevermind that Meloche is probably a better fit to partner Girard than Timmins, so it very well could be Timmins who ends up on the 3rd pairing having to move the puck for someone like Nemo. So whether Shvyryov ends up replacing Mikko on the first line so that Mikko can run his own line, or whether Meloche ends up going full Manson on our top pairing, doesn't matter. Their talent & potential is still of that caliber regardless of whether they'll be used in that way.
b) those projections are also fairly facetious. If I had been realistic, Meloche would just be a top 4 prospect, Shvyry just a top 6 prospect & Bowers just a middle 6 prospect.
Comparing Timmins to Makar is silly. One has elite talent, the other doesn't.
You are massively under-rating Greer's skill level by calling him a 3rd or 4th liner when he's a top 9 prospect
And a lot of guys who never amount to anything break 100 points in junior. Lewis and Smirnov are much less likely to ever be an NHLer than #58.
Heading into the draft my top 10 is:
Depending on how the draft picks work out this is probably mine too lol.
My top 5 right now is definitely Makar, Timmins, Bowers, Meloche, Kamenev in that exact order.
I ranked Makar as the top prospect due his high upside, although, Timmins had the much better year. Not sure what you’re trying to comment. Greer career has stalled, but still a decent prospect. He is not good enough for either the 1st or 2nd lines or better than Kamenev. Where do seriously believe he’ll be playing? Lewis is a long shot, but plays in a good league and scored 100 points and deservedly should get some consideration.
Ditto, although I'm not a 100% sure I trust Meloche to reach his upside over Kamenev. (No one tell @cgf.) But I been on Kamenev's d**k.
I agree with that.
Bowers being severely underrated here.
Also nearly one calendar year later and I'm still not convinced that Makar will be a better NHLer than Timmins. Flame away
Huh? I'm the only one so far who doesn't have Bowers as his top forward or as one of our top 3 prospects.
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