GDT: 2017 NHL Trade Deadline Day

[Gordo21]

That's false. Deals can be made at any time; the deadline only represents players' eligibility for the playoffs.

Okay thanks, so apparently these so called hockey trades can be made anytime after the season leading up to the expansion draft.

So there will still be time to balance your roster better for the expansion draft.

That's good to know.

 

[Djp]

Okay, so moves can still be made before the expansion draft then?

if trades are made now the player acquired cant play in the playoffs on the new team.

a playoff team could make a trade but there is no point because the player cant play in the playoffs.

When both teams are out of the playoffs you can start seeing some player trades before the expansion draft with roster planning.

The teams also could be making arrangement deals with Vegas on who they cant take in the expansion draft.

Vegas likely will be making such deals over the next few weeks where they acquire CHL player rights and college player rights where they can sign them to 17/18 ELCs.

starting today thru June 1st teams can sign entry level contracts to players that dont take effect until 17/18.

 

[dotcommunism]

I agree that contracts like Moulson's and Ennis' are quite the albatross (and probably why they weren't traded today), but what are the chances one or both of them are exposed and taken up at the expansion draft?

There's a 0% chance they will both be taken in the expansion draft (teams can only lose one player). That said, if Ennis shows some life to finish the season, I could see him potentially being picked if left exposed.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Kulikov has been a hot mess, I can see teams who have been scouting us a lot being very nervous about him and his back and his play because of it. But Franson I think has played pretty well and I think he'd help a playoff team playing on a 3rd pairing and maybe 2nd PP unit.

 

[Zip15]

I have said before I could see a 1 yr deal for about $2M where he understands he would be playing in a 4th line role.

No, too much. He got to earn over $12m these last three years. If he wants to stay, it has to be on very favorable terms to the organization, especially with all the young RWs in the organization. No more than $1m.

 

[Bobby Bottle Service]

you're dead wrong there.

Taking a tangent that should be in another thread, I don't see how Jack can be captain while Disco is still here.

 

[SabresFan26]

As much as I hate Toronto, it's hard not to admire their process. There management is better than ours in every facet. They developed a positive culture, have strong leaders, and one of the best coaches. They have made great things happen fast after bottoming out one year ago. Why doesn't Pegula ask both Murray and Bylsma why they are so behind? The Leafs are properly run and we are not. I respect their entire hockey department and wonder what Sabres fans wouldn't take their leadership team over ours. No this isn't an Eichel versus Matthews debate. More Shanahan, Lou, and Babcock versus Brandon, Murray, and Bylsma.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Taking a tangent that should be in another thread, I don't see how Jack can be captain while Disco is still here.

Put the 'C' on Jack and Bylsma will soon after be out the door, as he should be.

McDavid already has the 'C' in Edmonton, Mathews is the next captain of the Leafs and Eichel is ours.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

No, too much. He got to earn over $12m these last three years. If he wants to stay, it has to be on very favorable terms to the organization, especially with all the young RWs in the organization. No more than $1m.

Cap doesn't matter next year.

Assuming it is a one year deal anything up to 2 is fine with me...

 

[LetsDoughBuffalo]

Hey Brian... I know you said you wanted to be in a stable environment with your family when we all agreed you'd be a great fit for this team.... Too bad sucker! Bizness rulz!

Oh btw, would you consider signing here as a FA in the summer?

Completely missing my point.

Murray did the right thing. I agree. Not trading him after Gionta didn't want to go, of course it was the right move by GMTM.

People are saying that Gionta "wants to help the rebuild" etc. etc. Well guess what, helping the rebuild would have been accepting a trade and going to be a somebody for a playoff run.

Also, if Gionta had agreed to leave, why would it affect him signing here in the summer?

Furthermore, if it ruins your chance at signing him next season - WHO CARES? Is one more year of Gionta going to put us over the hump?


Again, I'm not faulting GMTM for not trading him. He did the right thing. I'm determining that Gionta has that "loser" mindset, and doesn't want to really go and be somebody for a few months.

 

[1point21Gigawatts]

There's a 0% chance they will both be taken in the expansion draft (teams can only lose one player). That said, if Ennis shows some life to finish the season, I could see him potentially being picked if left exposed.

yes, thanks for correcting. I swear i even knew that

I would agree that Ennis has the highest potential to be picked if left exposed. I am not sure who else TM would leave exposed. I fear we are stuck with Moulson unless a team needs to take on some salary in the offseason and can use a PP specialist.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Completely missing my point.

Murray did the right thing. I agree. Not trading him after Gionta didn't want to go, of course it was the right move by GMTM.

People are saying that Gionta "wants to help the rebuild" etc. etc. Well guess what, helping the rebuild would have been accepting a trade and going to be a somebody for a playoff run.

Also, if Gionta had agreed to leave, why would it affect him signing here in the summer?

Furthermore, if it ruins your chance at signing him next season - WHO CARES? Is one more year of Gionta going to put us over the hump?


Again, I'm not faulting GMTM for not trading him. He did the right thing. I'm determining that Gionta has that "loser" mindset, and doesn't want to really go and be somebody for a few months.

How much does a mid round pick 'help the rebuild' in the grand scheme.

Murray shouldn't even have fielded calls for him IMO.

 

[Bobby Bottle Service]

Completely missing my point.

Murray did the right thing. I agree. Not trading him after Gionta didn't want to go, of course it was the right move by GMTM.

People are saying that Gionta "wants to help the rebuild" etc. etc. Well guess what, helping the rebuild would have been accepting a trade and going to be a somebody for a playoff run.

Also, if Gionta had agreed to leave, why would it affect him signing here in the summer?

Furthermore, if it ruins your chance at signing him next season - WHO CARES? Is one more year of Gionta going to put us over the hump?


Again, I'm not faulting GMTM for not trading him. He did the right thing. I'm determining that Gionta has that "loser" mindset, and doesn't want to really go and be somebody for a few months.

If Gionta agreed to leave (or privately asked to do so)... yeah sure, ship him off.

I don't believe that Gio has a "loser mindset" because he wants the organization to honour the deal they made.

 

[Zip15]

Cap doesn't matter next year.

Assuming it is a one year deal anything up to 2 is fine with me...

Cap matters a lot next year. This team needs several serious upgrades. Those will cost money.

 

[Aladyyn]

As much as I hate Toronto, it's hard not to root for them. There management is better than ours in every facet. They developed a positive culture, have strong leaders, and one of the best coaches. They have made great things happen fast after bottoming out one year ago. Why doesn't Pegula ask both Murray and Bylsma why they are so behind? The Leafs are properly run and we are not. I respect their entire hockey department and wonder what Sabres fans wouldn't take their leadership team over ours. No this isn't an Eichel versus Matthews debate. More Shanahan, Lou, and Babcock versus Brandon, Murray, and Bylsma.

Why would Filppula refuse to go to such an exemplary organization?

 

[Aladyyn]

If Gionta agreed to leave (or privately asked to do so)... yeah sure, ship him off.

I don't believe that Gio has a "loser mindset" because he wants the organization to honour the deal they made.

I'm sure he wants to win hockey games. But he wants to win them in Buffalo.

 

[ZZamboni]

oh its very easy to not root for toronto.
and boston
and philly
and carolina

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Cap matters a lot next year. This team needs several serious upgrades. Those will cost money.

I don't disagree but a million won't make much of a difference IMO.

It's not like we have two guys going from elc's to being among the teams biggest earners this summer...

 

[dotcommunism]

yes, thanks for correcting. I swear i even knew that

I would agree that Ennis has the highest potential to be picked if left exposed. I am not sure who else TM would leave exposed. I fear we are stuck with Moulson unless a team needs to take on some salary in the offseason and can use a PP specialist.

I think Moulson could definitely appeal to a budget team that cares more about actually salary paid out than a player's cap hit, but it would still likely involve retaining salary.

 

[SabresFan26]

Why would Filppula refuse to go to such an exemplary organization?

There could be a lot of reasons. Not everyone wants to leave Tampa for snow, or be in the largest hockey market.

 

[Jim Bob]

Again, I'm not faulting GMTM for not trading him. He did the right thing. I'm determining that Gionta has that "loser" mindset, and doesn't want to really go and be somebody for a few months.

There is a big difference with regards to Gionta and other guys.

Gionta is the captain of the team he grew up rooting for and lives 1 hour down I-90 from his hometown.

He also has a Cup already.

Gionta wanting to stay and not waiving his NTC to go to an unnamed team doesn't seem to me to be a "loser" mindset.

And I can really understand it if he didn't want to move to a Western Conference team.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

This organization has looked pretty clumsy over the last week or so. Losing three straight after the break, the very odd optics of not selling off any UFAs from a team out of contention. Just goofy. I've never seen the Sabres fumble a TDL like this before, I don't get it. Even though I understand the reasons, I still don't think TM should've ended the day like this. Not cliff jumping bad like 7/1/2007...but goofy.

 

[dotcommunism]

Making a move just for the sake of optics isn't really any better than standing pat.

 

[russ4king]

Why would Filppula refuse to go to such an exemplary organization?

Taxes...he had a right to refuse. By trying to stay in Tampa he would have saves himself about 1m.

Even playing in Philly will save him some instead of Toronto.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Making a move just for the sake of optics isn't really any better than standing pat.

Obviously a GM shouldn't be making a trade for optics. The optics come in after the fact, and it just doesn't look good...whatever the reasons.