2017 Draft discussion- Sabres pick 8th. Part 2

[truthbluth]

Come out of the draft with one of Makar, Heiskanen, Liljegren, Valimaki, Brannstrom... and I'll be happy... regardless of the circumstances around it (where they were taken, what we traded, up or down, etc).

Failure to get one of them... I'll be pissed (again, 2016).

I agree, but I think Vaakinainen should be in that mix too. Cal Foote's a worry because he's got so far to go with his skating that I don't think he fills the Sabres biggest needs, but I do think he's a very good prospect.

 

[sabrebuild]

I agree, but I think Vaakinainen should be in that mix too. Cal Foote's a worry because he's got so far to go with his skating that I don't think he fills the Sabres biggest needs, but I do think he's a very good prospect.

Exactly how bad is Foote's skating? Like Franson/Gorges bad or more like Regehr bad when he first got to buffalo?

 

[truthbluth]

Exactly how bad is Foote's skating? Like Franson/Gorges bad or more like Regehr bad when he first got to buffalo?

Better than all of them. It's not even that bad. But what the Sabres need is a true PMD. I would put Foote's skating between Franson now and McCabe when he was drafted. Let's put it this way. Foote's skating is not a hindrance. It just isn't an asset.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

They've got Alexeyev at both 85 and 93. And if my eyes don't deceive me, Oettinger isn't even in the top 100?

 

[cybresabre]

When you've got 255 followers, you go fishing for 300.

 

[Jame]

I agree, but I think Vaakinainen should be in that mix too. Cal Foote's a worry because he's got so far to go with his skating that I don't think he fills the Sabres biggest needs, but I do think he's a very good prospect.

I have him 15th overall, beginning of tier 4... so yea, I like him too.

 

[Woodhouse]

They've got Alexeyev at both 85 and 93. And if my eyes don't deceive me, Oettinger isn't even in the top 100?

When you've got 255 followers, you go fishing for 300.

At a quick glance, zero goalies there and looks like your standard individual or team board variance based on preferences and viewings .. others may prefer to flip Glass/Vilardi/Pettersson to 3 & 7, Vaakanainen to 15, Norris to 23, etc. .. believe the Barr in that refers to Dave Barr's son too.

 

[cybresabre]

At a quick glance, zero goalies there and looks like your standard individual or team board variance based on preferences and viewings .. others may prefer to flip Glass/Vilardi/Pettersson to 3 & 7, Vaakanainen to 15, Norris to 23, etc. ..

So it really could be Jame?

believe the Barr in that refers to Dave Barr's son too.

Way too close to Bylsma to be Jame. Guess not.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

I love Makar but put Liljegren in the AJHL and he puts up the same points. Highlights from the U18, he looks like Phil Housley.

 

[EichHart]

I love Makar but put Liljegren in the AJHL and he puts up the same points. Highlights from the U18, he looks like Phil Housley.

That skating is drool worthy. Hope he is our pick.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

One of Glass, Vilardi and Mittelstadt is going to drop to 8th, I highly doubt it's Glass. Vilardi is not a good skater. Mittelstadt is a great skater but not only couldn't he do a pullup he also finished last in VO2 at the Combine which makes you question how dedicated he is, he's getting by on natural talent now.

Who's interested in Mittelstadt or Vilardi at 8th over dmen, Liljegren/Valimaki/Brannstrom?

 

[Jim Carr's Rug]

That skating is drool worthy. Hope he is our pick.

His skating style reminds me of Doughty.
Does he use a longer stick relative to most his size?

 

[Sabre the Win]

One of Glass, Vilardi and Mittelstadt is going to drop to 8th, I highly doubt it's Glass. Vilardi is not a good skater. Mittelstadt is a great skater but not only couldn't he do a pullup he also finished last in VO2 at the Combine which makes you question how dedicated he is, he's getting by on natural talent now.

Who's interested in Mittelstadt or Vilardi at 8th over dmen, Liljegren/Valimaki/Brannstrom?

Not I; only forwards I would take at 8 is Petterssen or Tippet after Heiskanen/Makar and Lilejgren are off the board (in no specific order)

 

[1972]

If Ray Shero picks Makar as indicated by Pronman then that could end up being the riskiest first overall pick probably ever. A 5-11 older D playing in the AJHL would be quite the story! Shows how lucky we were to suck in 2015 instead of a year like this.

 

[Reddawg]

If Ray Shero picks Makar as indicated by Pronman then that could end up being the riskiest first overall pick probably ever. A 5-11 older D playing in the AJHL would be quite the story! Shows how lucky we were to suck in 2015 instead of a year like this.

To be fair, we sucked this year too.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Sign me up for Liljegren!

 

[LaxSabre]

 

[Team Cozens]

That skating is drool worthy. Hope he is our pick.

Amazing skater.
When did this whole IQ issue start up and I wonder where it started???
Sometimes I wonder about manipulation to drop a players stock in the draft rankings. It doesn't seem to take long for everyone to jump on the bandwagon.
I don't trust the Toronto insiders at all.

 

[Jim Bob]

RD, LD, G, LW, please.

 

[1972]

Those Liljegren highlights look pretty good until you see this, I cannot recall the last time I've seen a Dman with puck skills like Dahlin.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

I love Makar but put Liljegren in the AJHL and he puts up the same points. Highlights from the U18, he looks like Phil Housley.

You can make anyone's highlights look good. He finished the tournament with +/- of -5. I want to see highlights of that -5 portion before I have an opinion on him. A defender needs to be able to defend before anything else. The goals may have nothing to do with him but if they do, that's what makes you hesitate to spend a top10 pick on him.

I have the exact same reservations about Makar who by all accounts has not faced serious competition to show he is competent at his primary job to defend.

 

[Selanne00008]

Those Liljegren highlights look pretty good until you see this, I cannot recall the last time I've seen a Dman with puck skills like Dahlin.

Very nice. Idk, maybe it's the jerseys or the size. But I feel like Liljegren's skating is more fluid and translates better. I can't put my finger on it exactly.

 

[UnleashRasmus]

Very nice. Idk, maybe it's the jerseys or the size. But I feel like Liljegren's skating is more fluid and translates better. I can't put my finger on it exactly.

Dahlin is a smooth skater who needs to put on some weight. Definitely an interesting prospect.

 

[ZZamboni]

Thanks for sharing the Liljegren video. Very smooth and controlled. If you squint hard enough the blue jerseys almost almost look like the Sabres jerseys of yesteryear.

Is it a sign?

 

[Sabre the Win]

Thanks for sharing the Liljegren video. Very smooth and controlled. If you squint hard enough the blue jerseys almost almost look like the Sabres jerseys of yesteryear.

Is it a sign?

Last night watching I thought the exact same thing and with Fransen gone he can wear number 6.