Joe Hallenback
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Just a question then
Is Tangradi a better 4th line option then Halischuk by using just the numbers then?
Is Tangradi a better 4th line option then Halischuk by using just the numbers then?
I wrote an article on how you (yes that means you) can determine the value of a players Corsi% in terms of goals.
http://hockey-graphs.com/2014/08/11/value-of-corsi-possession-measured-in-goals/
Enjoy.
Just a question then
Is Tangradi a better 4th line option then Halischuk by using just the numbers then?
Anyway you can listen to your CJOB interview without listening to the rest of the hour Garret?
Yes: the player in the link I posted allows you to skip ahead - it's at the 36m mark.
OOOOOOOOOOOO I hate the idea that Kyle Dubas and Tyler Dellow are the some how equal
Did I say they are equal somewhere?
Probably should read the post to see that it's a satire piece...
Nope but they get quoted a lot together
Dubas is a hockey guy and the others are not, in the traditional sense
Let me ask you a question Whileee, do you actually make policy decisions in your current job or do you just provide information to people who make the policy decisions?
Dellow played high level hockey. Other ones though did not. I'm not even sure if Tulsky has ever played at all ha.
Still, that's pretty insignificant to me as long as you are not the stat type that doesn't understand the game and looks at it purely in a numbers perspective.
Dellow, Tulsky, Mehta, and Dubas are all not like that.
MacDonald I don't really know well enough to judge on that.
Pure number types who don't know hockey I'd never take advice from, but would only use to crunch numbers. Tulsky and Dellow have watched the game and learned from their observations just as much as the traditional types.
EDIT:
Way I look at it is that there are two stats types. We tend to split them as "academic stat types" and "hockey stat types". "Academics" would be guys I'd separate from Dubas in that sense; they take big data, run regressions, and figure out from that. Hockey stat types are more that look at the same things coaches value and put numerical values to it.
Really nice twist to the thread boys. I like the application theories.
I use to run a single business and some data collection was very nessesary to understand cost controls and sales forecasting but I would make the bulk of the decisions intuitively because I was present in the operation daily basis. As our company grew in size and geographical reach we had to adapt because we couldn't be in two places at one time. Our ability to gather the field level, moment by moment, intellagence and information needed to be augmented by increased systimatization and more statistical comparison. Although I didn't love it I realized it was the only way we could scale our operations and grow. Although I am entrepreneurial in nature I have always had a passion for refining process through trial and error.
If I was running a hockey operation I would definatly invest in an analytics department. When you are all given the same allowance to spend and you are competing for the same shallow talent pool every edge is nessesary. From a defensive perspective you would need it to keep up. But more clearly with things like SportVu on the horizon this will become a critical element for talent evaluation in the future. I believe the old eye test and talent evaluation can not be replaced but I think the game may start to go through a more rapid change by people who adapt quickest to new information flow combined with the old methods. Teams (and businesses) usually adapt to best practice results from competitors but those who innovate well or adapt fastest will have a window of opprotunity edge.
Where this could have the craziest opprotunity is when SportVu becomes available in junior, NCAA, buildings and you can use it for scouting and a assign prospects.
Hey I am not a sports owner so what do I really know but my business insticts are screaming at me from following this as an ameture that I would not want to be the last guy standing looking for a chair to sit in when the music stops when it comes to hockey analytics collection and application.
Can you go into more detail as to why Halischuk may be a better choice than Tangradi on the 4th? When you look at some of the analytics, Tangradi's are some of the best on the team.
Thanks
He seems like the logical choice to eat up minutes on the 4th line.