Prospect Info: 2017-18 Flyers Prospects - Top 30 SKATERS, #16

[Curufinwe]

1. Patrick, Nolan ~ C - 98%
2. Sanheim, Travis ~ LHD - 74%
3. Lindblom, Oskar ~ LW/RW - 64%
4. Myers, Phil ~ RHD - 80%
5. Rubtsov, German ~ C/W - 53%
6. Morin, Sam ~ LHD - 78%
7. Frost, Morgan ~ C/LW - 50%
8. Allison, Wade ~ RW - 35%
9. Hagg, Robert ~ LHD - 38%
10. Vorobyev, Mikhail ~ C - 51%
11. Ratcliffe, Isaac ~ LW - 51%
12. Laczynski, Tanner ~ C - 37%
13. Friedman, Mark ~ RHD - 42%
14. Laberge, Pascal ~ C/RW - 69%
15. Aube-Kubel, Nicolas ~ RW/LW - 38%


Amorosa, Terrance ~ LHD
Bardreau, Cole ~ C
Bernhardt, David ~ LHD
Bunnaman, Connor ~ C/LW
Cates, Noah ~ LW
Drake, David ~ LHD
Fazleev, Radel ~ C
Goulbourne, Tyrell ~ LW
Hogberg, Linus ~ LHD
Kalynuk, Wyatt ~ LHD
Kase, David ~ W/C
Leier, Taylor ~ LW
Lycksell, Olle ~ C
Marody, Cooper ~ C
Martel, Danick ~ LW/RW
Salinitri, Anthony ~ C
Strome, Matthew ~ LW
Sushko, Maxim ~ RW
Twarynski, Carson ~ LW
Vecchione, Mike ~ C
Warren, Brendan ~ LW
Willcox, Reece ~ RHD

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[pit]

Cue the bunny gifs!

 

[whitstifier]

Meant to vote Kase... I feel shame

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Went Hogberg.

 

[deadhead]

Went for the Bunny Man because he has prototypical size and skill package to be a top NHL PF.

I have Leier ahead of Vecchione b/c he was productive at an earlier age, and has continued to improve. Both are bottom 6 forwards at best. Neither have the upside of the Bunny Man.

Strome is one notch down, he's the basic boom or bust player, IF he can learn to skate, he can be as good or better than Bunny Man, but that's a big IF. If he can't skate better, AHL is his ceiling.

The Swedish defensemen need a year in the SHL before we'll really know what we have, same with Kase.
So I have them behind Leier and Vecchione.

Salinitri, Cates, Sushko, Lycksell, who knows?

 

[Banger]

can't believe that we may have a prospect that'll fall in the 16-20 range that could legitimately become NHLers some day.

 

[Larry44]

Meant to vote Kase... I feel shame

Got you covered. Kase, then Hogberg and Bunnaman for me, but Echo might end up going now....

 

[Magua]

I've seen plenty of Bunny-Man and like him a lot, and I've never once seen Hogberg. I could go either way, but I guess D is more valuable. And he scored the OT winner in the 3v3 prospects tournament -- that is weighted at 15% in my evaluating criteria.

Strome is one notch down, he's the basic boom or bust player, IF he can learn to skate, he can be as good or better than Bunny Man, but that's a big IF. If he can't skate better, AHL is his ceiling(........)

Salinitri, Cates, Sushko, Lycksell, who knows?

Don't know how you define it, but I wouldn't call Water Bear boom or bust, or a "basic case" of it at least. His hockey IQ is waaaaay too high for that; his hands are too soft as well. Honestly that's the major reason -- or a size barrier perhaps -- that I'd label someone boom/bust. Bad as his skating is, it's plain as day he could completely change his (lack of) physique, which would go a long way. Combined with years of skating work, I find it hard to believe he couldn't get at least to a bottom 6 NHL role. How much it improves determines how much higher he gets. How many players have high end hockey IQ and very good skill in a 6'4" body and such poor skating at age 18 they cannot make the NHL? He's definitely far from basic a case to me.

As for that second group, I'm sowing the seeds now, but I'm going to vote Cates after Hogberg, Bunnaman, and maybe Strome. Hockey Prospect raved about him as a future steal, having him in their 60s in their ranking. Flyers don't draft out of Minny HS, rarely draft HS at all. Hextall has never drafted out of HS before. And Chris Pryor also has ties to the area where Cates played. Decent size, lots of skill, great skating.....that's exciting. Lycksell too I'd have grouped ahead of those other two, who I think are a bit forgettable. Again, 15% of my criteria is that 3v3 tournament.

 

[Striiker]

It's tough to vote this far into the list because there's some players you just have a good feeling about, but it's hard to justify voting for them over others.

At this point I'd really group together a handful of guys because I could go back and forth endlessly, trying to stick to one over the others. Like Magua said, Cates is a really interesting player, but it's impossible to really rank him right now. Same with Strome

 

[Rebels57]

I voted Bunnaman because I simply value Captain Dave's feelings too much to allow this to go on any longer

 

[briererocks]

It's tough to vote this far into the list because there's some players you just have a good feeling about, but it's hard to justify voting for them over others.

At this point I'd really group together a handful of guys because I could go back and forth endlessly, trying to stick to one over the others. Like Magua said, Cates is a really interesting player, but it's impossible to really rank him right now. Same with Strome

Yes but how awesome is it that are 17 rated prospect like Strome or kase has a ceiling as a second line player.

 

[Stizzle]

The Swedish defensemen need a year in the SHL before we'll really know what we have, same with Kase.

I assume you're referring to Hogberg here? He has played 37 SHL games already and a few other games in the Allsvenskan and is still 18.

Obviously, we still have no clue what we have in him. But I just wanted to point out that he has a decent amount of high level pro games already.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

My gut says Bunnaman and Hogber are the tier here, but I definitely haven't seen Hogberg enough to feel like my opinion is worth a damn. I like an awful lot of what I see and read about Cates, but I have no earthly idea how to evaluate high school hockey.

I have to go Bunnaman if only because I'm a hell of a lot more sure in my evaluation.

Don't know how you define it, but I wouldn't call Water Bear boom or bust, or a "basic case" of it at least. His hockey IQ is waaaaay too high for that; his hands are too soft as well. Honestly that's the major reason -- or a size barrier perhaps -- that I'd label someone boom/bust. Bad as his skating is, it's plain as day he could completely change his (lack of) physique, which would go a long way. Combined with years of skating work, I find it hard to believe he couldn't get at least to a bottom 6 NHL role. How much it improves determines how much higher he gets. How many players have high end hockey IQ and very good skill in a 6'4" body and such poor skating at age 18 they cannot make the NHL? He's definitely far from basic a case to me.

Agree with all of this. Your typical boom-bust means traditional scoring line or out of the league. Strome strikes me as the type where a success is that he plays on a lower line but gets labeled with the "can fill in up the lineup in a pinch" trope.

 

[sobrien]

Went Strome. There's a Lindblom feel to him. If he works on his skating for 2-4 years, he could be a great prospect.

Curious where we ranked Lindblom in 2014's thread and 2015's

But I agree with Striiker, we can go 25-30 threads on this. I can argue for Kase, Cates, Vecchione, Sushko, Leier, Bunnaman, Salinitri, Martel, Hogberg, Bern


...almost anyone but Amorosa

When are we firing up the goalie ranker?

 

[Tripod]

I voted Bunnaman because I simply value Captain Dave's feelings too much to allow this to go on any longer

**** him and his salmon eating ways. I voted Hogberg.



I just keep thinking that Hogberg played almost all season in the SHL as an 18 year old Dman.

Hell, he is only 15 days older than Patrick!

 

[deadhead]

I think Strome will be out of the league if he can't skate.

The game has changed too much, he won't be a bottom six because he won't be fast enough to forecheck, while Jagr survives without wheels, he's probably the greatest "puck possession" guy in NHL history (you need a crowbar to get it away from him) and a great shooter.

Now Strome doesn't have to be a speedster, if he was average to below average he could compensate, but "bad" won't cut it. This is why he's a boom/bust player, projecting whether you can turn a guy into a skater is far from an exact science.

 

[flyersjim73]

I've seen Kase a number of times and he's been highly impressive every time. He gets my vote (even though the bunny is going to win).

 

[deadhead]

I assume you're referring to Hogberg here? He has played 37 SHL games already and a few other games in the Allsvenskan and is still 18.

Obviously, we still have no clue what we have in him. But I just wanted to point out that he has a decent amount of high level pro games already.

With him and Bernhardt, they did just enough to show they weren't overmatched, but not enough to know what we have in them. This season should tell us a lot more. Bernhardt did a little more, but is almost a year older.

 

[Tripod]

Crazy that we are likely to have 3 guys who have played in the WJC, not make our top 20 prospects.

 

[Curufinwe]

Went Strome. There's a Lindblom feel to him. If he works on his skating for 2-4 years, he could be a great prospect.

Curious where we ranked Lindblom in 2014's thread and 2015's

2016-17 Flyers Prospects - Top 20 SKATERS
1. Provorov, Ivan (88%) LHD
2. Sanheim, Travis (75%) LHD
3. Konecny, Travis (85%) RW
4. Morin, Sam (54%) LHD
5. Rubtsov, German (79%) C
6. Myers, Phil (56%) RHD
7. Lindblom, Oskar (54%) LW/RW
8. Laberge, Pascal (68%) C/RW
9. Aube-Kubel, Nicolas (63%) LW/RW
10. Allison, Wade (44%) RW
11. Hagg, Robert (55%) LHD
12. Friedman, Mark (52%) RHD
13. Vorobyov, Mikhail (49%) C
14. Leier, Taylor (58%) LW
15. Fazleev, Radel (60%) C
16. Marody, Cooper (19%) C
17. Bardreau, Cole (21%, 55%) C
18. Kase, David (40%) C/W
19. Martel, Danick (26%) W
20. Hogberg (40%) LHD


2015-16 Top 20 Flyers Prospects
1. Ivan Provorov - D (59%)
2. Travis Sanheim - D (89%)
3. Samuel Morin - D (65%)
4. Shayne Gostisbehere - D (47%)
5. Travis Konecny - F (83%)
6. Scott Laughton - F (84%)
7. Robert Hagg - D (59%)
8. Nicholas Aube-Kubel - F (68%)
9. Oskar Lindblom - F (36%)
10. Nick Cousins - F (37%)
11. Anthony Stolarz - G (58%)
12. Mark Friedman - D (51%)
13. Felix Sandstrom - G (34%)
14. Taylor Leier - F (31%)
15. Radel Fazeleev - F (49%)
16. Matej Tomek - G (33%)
17. Danick Martel - F (25%)
18. Mark Alt - D (28%)
19. Christian Marti - D (32%)
20. Mikhail Vorobyov - F (37%)


2014-15 Flyers prospect ranking
1. Samuel Morin - 39.34%
2. Scott Laughton - 39.25%
3. Shayne Gostisbehere - 64.55%
4. Travis Sanheim - 83.64%
5. Robert Hagg - 79.81%
6. Anthony Stolarz - 66.27%
7. Nicolas Aube-Kubel - 55.43%
8. Jason Akeson - 31.00%
9. Taylor Leier - 50.72%
10. Mark Alt - 68.84%
11. Nick Cousins - 39.77%
12. Oskar Lindblom - 54.12%
13. Mark Friedman - 54.55%
14. Tyrell Goulbourne - 24.32%
15. Valeri Vasiliev - 40.58%

2013-14 Top Flyers Prospects
1. C Scott Laughton(77.36%)
2. D Samuel Morin(59.70%)
3. D Robert Hagg(69.74%)
4. D Shayne Gostisbehere(66.30%)
5. G Anthony Stolarz(48.15%)
6. C Nick Cousins(77.22%)
7. RW Petr Straka(39.17%)
8. LW Tye McGinn(63.33%)
9. C/RW Jason Akeson(28.28%)
10. D Mark Alt(36.36%)
11. LW Marcel Noebels(45.31%)
12. D Oliver Lauridsen(40.38%)
13. LW Taylor Leier(36.84%)
14. D Brandon Manning(31.48%)
15. D Marc-Andre Bourdon(42.55%)
16. LW Kyle Flanagan(35.85%)
17. D Valeri Vasiliev(46.67%)
18. D Frederic Larsson(30.43%)
19. D Reece Willcox(44.90%)
20. LW Tyrell Goulbourne(46.00%)

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

I can't handle Morin being ranked higher than Gostisbehere 3 times.

 

[deadhead]

That 2013-14 list is frightening.
2014-15 is at least respectable.
2015-16 things start getting good.
2016-17 "future's so bright, I gotta wear shades"
2017-18 Break 'em up!

 

[Flyotes]

Went Hogberg. Was considering Strome.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

That 2013-14 list is frightening.
2014-15 is at least respectable.
2015-16 things start getting good.
2016-17 "future's so bright, I gotta wear shades"
2017-18 Break 'em up!

Pretty impressive turnaround!

 

[Tripod]

I can't handle Morin being ranked higher than Gostisbehere 3 times.

I was more upset seeing Akeson AND Alt being top 10 prospects in back to back years.