Proposal: 2016 Offseason Trade Rumours & Proposals

[SixthSens]

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[Hutz]

Isn't it a bit unusual that they would only have one team join the NHL in an expansion draft? Is there not any talk of another Western team also joining the NHL at the same time as Las Vegas? The East has 16 teams & the West has 14 teams, isn't a bit weird that they would have 15 teams? What about Seattle or Portland?

Maybe a bit weird but it'll be temporary. The only reason it's 15 teams in the West is because no one else applied for a franchise there. I'm sure the NHL will be trying to get one of the other markets to make a bid so they can balance the conferences. The writing was on the wall when they realigned the conferences in an imbalanced way. I've little doubt that if a legitimate potential bidder appears in a major western city that the expansion process will very quickly be reopened.

Personally I find it less weird than having 16 teams in one conference and 14 in the other.

 

[KingK]

You know guys if you want an "RNH" or similar calibre player, or a "Drouin", like if you actually want one of them and aren't kicking tires then you are going to have to give up a "Chabot" or a "Ceci" or a "White+" etc., otherwise we just keep going in the same circle.. and get nothing done!! The majority of people here would never actually get a trade done and would just constantly draft players, develop them and lose them to replace them with new developing players and the cycle would never end.

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

You know guys if you want an "RNH" or similar calibre player, or a "Drouin", like if you actually want one of them and aren't kicking tires then you are going to have to give up a "Chabot" or a "Ceci" or a "White+" etc., otherwise we just keep going in the same circle.. and get nothing done!! The majority of people here would never actually get a trade done and would just constantly draft players, develop them and lose them to replace them with new developing players and the cycle would never end.

You know the people on here aren't actually "GMs" right?

 

[trentmccleary]

You know guys if you want an "RNH" or similar calibre player, or a "Drouin", like if you actually want one of them and aren't kicking tires then you are going to have to give up a "Chabot" or a "Ceci" or a "White+" etc., otherwise we just keep going in the same circle.. and get nothing done!! The majority of people here would never actually get a trade done and would just constantly draft players, develop them and lose them to replace them with new developing players and the cycle would never end.

We already have RNH calibre players who make half as a much money. I don't want him at all.

The team should be looking for a goalie next summer.

 

[topshelf15]

You know guys if you want an "RNH" or similar calibre player, or a "Drouin", like if you actually want one of them and aren't kicking tires then you are going to have to give up a "Chabot" or a "Ceci" or a "White+" etc., otherwise we just keep going in the same circle.. and get nothing done!! The majority of people here would never actually get a trade done and would just constantly draft players, develop them and lose them to replace them with new developing players and the cycle would never end.

Teams need a pipeline moreso with a cap ,this cycle we are on is for good reason. Teams cycle through players far quicker than ever now

 

[BonkTastic]

To Edmonton:
- Tyson Barrie
- Curtis Lazar
- Ottawa's 3rd round pick
To Colorado:
- Marc Methot
To Ottawa:
- Edmonton's 4th overall

... then...

Ottawa signs as UFA:
- Brian Campbell ($6.75 mil, 1 yr)


Why we do this:
- There's a high chance we lose Methot to the expansion draft next year. We just get ahead of the situation by signing a 1year stopgap (upgrade) in Campbell to play top pair for 2016-17, and turn Methot + Lazar into a super high pick.

Why Edmonton does this:
- they desperately needs defence now, and in return for the 4th ovarall they get a great PMD plus a young former 1st round center plus a replacement pick

Why Colorado does this:
- they're apparently shopping/ going to lose Barrie anyways, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to replace him wih Methot.

 

[topshelf15]

To Edmonton:
- Tyson Barrie
- Curtis Lazar
- Ottawa's 3rd round pick
To Colorado:
- Marc Methot
To Ottawa:
- Edmonton's 4th overall

... then...

Ottawa signs as UFA:
- Brian Campbell ($6.75 mil, 1 yr)


Why we do this:
- There's a high chance we lose Methot to the expansion draft next year. We just get ahead of the situation by signing a 1year stopgap (upgrade) in Campbell to play top pair for 2016-17, and turn Methot + Lazar into a super high pick.

Why Edmonton does this:
- they desperately needs defence now, and in return for the 4th ovarall they get a great PMD plus a young former 1st round center plus a replacement pick

Why Colorado does this:
- they're apparently shopping/ going to lose Barrie anyways, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to replace him wih Methot.

I like it ,but what would EK think if we traded his BFF ??

 

[BonkTastic]

I like it ,but what would EK think if we traded his BFF ??

We already traded Michalek.


Besides, there's a decent chance we lose Methot anyways via expansion draft, hence the proposal. This just speeds up the timetable by a year.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I'm not trying to undervalue Methot, and I think he'd be a good fit in Colorado, but I also don't think there is a chance that another team doesn't beat that offer by a very very large margin.

Colorado is going to get something really good for Barrie. He's a 50 point RHD in his prime. I have a feeling their strategy will be to get a package of good young players, probably not as much as they got for O'Reilly, but a similar type of return. Their drafting has been so bad, that I could see why they'd want to add multiple lesser but good players with upside for one big star.

Even with that in mind, Colorado should keep Barrie, but they are lunatics.

I also think in that proposal, Colorado is more likely to want the 4th overall pick than Methot which would squeeze Ottawa out.

 

[Boud]

If we got 4rth overall for Methot, Lazar and a 3rd I'd be out celebrating right now.

 

[HoffStoneKarl*]

We already have RNH calibre players who make half as a much money. I don't want him at all.

The team should be looking for a goalie next summer.

We don't really, aside from Turris. If you think that then I know you haven't watched Edmonton on a regular basis over the last several seasons.

Teams that take risks on potential 1Cs usually end up doing pretty well.

This is all just fun speculation on my part that RNH could be available when I doubt he is

 

[Smitty26]

Wait, sooooo Colorado is giving up Barrie and only getting Methot in return? HUH?

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

Methot for Nedeljekov/Altshuller + 2nd 2017 is more realistic value IMO although I might be selling him a little short. Either way, it lets us sign a UFA to a one year deal like Bonk proposed.

Side note: I expect a lot of 1 yr deals with under the table, handshake extensions this offseason.

 

[BonkTastic]

If we got 4rth overall for Methot, Lazar and a 3rd I'd be out celebrating right now.

Yeah, I get that I'm stretching here a bit, but I think the takeaway of my proposal is less "let's get the 4OA", and more "let's sign Campbell and trade Methot before we lose him for nothing".

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

Wait, sooooo Colorado is giving up Barrie and only getting Methot in return? HUH?

Colorado apparently sees Barrie as a #5 PP specialist.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Colorado apparently sees Barrie as a #5 PP specialist.

They can get more for him than Methot. His value is pretty high right now.

 

[bert]

We don't really, aside from Turris. If you think that then I know you haven't watched Edmonton on a regular basis over the last several seasons.

Teams that take risks on potential 1Cs usually end up doing pretty well.

This is all just fun speculation on my part that RNH could be available when I doubt he is

I agree with this, I think it might be very interesting to see what might happen with a talented player like RNH if he leaves the black hole that is Edmonton. He has alot of skill and is good both ways.

 

[BonkTastic]

They can get more for him than Methot. His value is pretty high right now.

Team that gets him will have to pay him top UFA salary + term, apparently he's asking for the moon. And then protect him for expansion too, so the team giving him big dollars is probably pretty thin on the blueline too.

Edmonton is likely willing to pay that. A few other teams, probably. I have no idea what this summer's UFA and trade market are going to look like with the very real possibility of an expansion draft nexr offseason hanging over everyone's head. Values might be all over the place.

 

[bert]

To Edmonton:
- Tyson Barrie
- Curtis Lazar
- Ottawa's 3rd round pick
To Colorado:
- Marc Methot
To Ottawa:
- Edmonton's 4th overall

... then...

Ottawa signs as UFA:
- Brian Campbell ($6.75 mil, 1 yr)


Why we do this:
- There's a high chance we lose Methot to the expansion draft next year. We just get ahead of the situation by signing a 1year stopgap (upgrade) in Campbell to play top pair for 2016-17, and turn Methot + Lazar into a super high pick.

Why Edmonton does this:
- they desperately needs defence now, and in return for the 4th ovarall they get a great PMD plus a young former 1st round center plus a replacement pick

Why Colorado does this:
- they're apparently shopping/ going to lose Barrie anyways, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to replace him wih Methot.

Id be willing to bet if the sens could get Tyson Barrie for Marc Methot they will just keep him. If Edmonton could secure him for 4th overall the deal would be done right now. Thats not happening.

For some reason or another Tyson Barrie is massively underrated on HF. He isnt in the NHL.

Colorado apparently sees Barrie as a #5 PP specialist.

Uhhh his icetime does not reflect that at all. He's a top 2 d. 5th D men dont play 23:11 a game.

 

[Micklebot]

Yeah, I get that I'm stretching here a bit, but I think the takeaway of my proposal is less "let's get the 4OA", and more "let's sign Campbell and trade Methot before we lose him for nothing".

A package for 4th OA is likely going to cost a lot more than that though. Methot is probably the kind of D that gets a late fist and some add ons, so Lazar and a third isn't going to cut it.

Think of it this way; would you trade 12 OA for Methot? Would you trade 4OA for 12OA lazar and a 3rd?

 

[Langdon Alger]

Team that gets him will have to pay him top UFA salary + term, apparently he's asking for the moon. And then protect him for expansion too, so the team giving him big dollars is probably pretty thin on the blueline too.

Edmonton is likely willing to pay that. A few other teams, probably. I have no idea what this summer's UFA and trade market are going to look like with the very real possibility of an expansion draft nexr offseason hanging over everyone's head. Values might be all over the place.

Do you think the Oilers would give up the 4th overall pick fir Barrie?

 

[trentmccleary]

We don't really, aside from Turris. If you think that then I know you haven't watched Edmonton on a regular basis over the last several seasons.

Teams that take risks on potential 1Cs usually end up doing pretty well.

This is all just fun speculation on my part that RNH could be available when I doubt he is

He's been playing a lot with some very good players and has never cracked 60 points, but makes $6M. Where does potential improvement come from?

You're selling him like he's a surefire top-20 scorers, but it's tremendously difficult to crack the top-20 in a given year, let alone consistently.

Right now, all of the 50-60 point players we have are on his level.

 

[BonkTastic]

Do you think the Oilers would give up the 4th overall pick fir Barrie?

I have no idea what Chiarelli would do.

That guy is one of the league's bigger "wild card" GMs.

That being said, if he's offered Barrie straight up for the 4th pick, or a Barrie-Lazar-3rdRounder package for the pick, I'm 100% sure he takes the latter over the former (assuming he takes either of them).

 

[BonkTastic]

This is all just fun speculation on my part that RNH could be available when I doubt he is

I absolutely think RNH could be in play.

McDavid filled his role, and the Oil are probably penciling in Draisaitl as the eventual #2.