Prospect Info: 2016 Leafs Board Prospect Ranking #19

[MJ65]

Hyman

 

[Lauro]

Leivo

 

[7even]

Aight the Leivo free fall is getting a tad silly.

 

[bobermay]

With Leivo and Hyman rounding out the top 20, its crazy to think we dont have:

1) a 120 pt CHL scorer [Brooks]
2) a 6'05" mobile defensmen with good upside [Greenway]
3) a goaltender that had quite a solid draft year [Woll]
4) a former first round pick [Gauthier]
5) a in all-likelyhood NHLer [Corrado]
6) a goaltender who had a shutout in his NHL debut [Sparks]
7) a solid Swedish puck moving RHD [Lindgren]
8) a former top 10 prospect on a rival team's pool [Lindberg]

All of whom likely would be top 20 on 25+ other teams, and previous Leafs regimes...

Heck, even Dzierkals, Middleton, Bibeau and others have good potential too!

 

[Morgs]

Pointless to go with Woll/Dzerkials/Brooks at this point, so I'll go with Hyman.

 

[Mess]

With Leivo and Hyman rounding out the top 20, its crazy to think we dont have:

1) a 120 pt CHL scorer [Brooks]
2) a 6'05" mobile defensmen with good upside [Greenway]
3) a goaltender that had quite a solid draft year [Woll]
4) a former first round pick [Gauthier]
5) a in all-likelyhood NHLer [Corrado]
6) a goaltender who had a shutout in his NHL debut [Sparks]
7) a solid Swedish puck moving RHD [Lindgren]
8) a former top 10 prospect on a rival team's pool [Lindberg]

All of whom likely would be top 20 on 25+ other teams, and previous Leafs regimes...

Heck, even Dzierkals, Middleton, Bibeau and others have good potential too!

Only 20 roster spots on an NHL team so only the elite few ever make it.

With prospects you want as many as possible because the success rate is small so the more you have the greater the odds of finding some NHL talent among them.

All shinny new prospects always look exciting at the junior levels showing promise.

That said Leivo and Hyman at this spot look like they may see NHL time and that might make them better prospects then ones ranked higher.

 

[LeafGrief]

Voted Leivo. He and Hyman are both NHL caliber players and will get time in the bigs this year.

I think for the early 20's I'll be voting for guys like Greenway, Woll, Dzierkals, Brooks, Lindgren, and Lindberg.

 

[Hero]

HYMAN!

He's already an NHL player.

 

[Battle Lin]

leivo has to crack roster this season, hes 100% to get picked up by a team on waiver, im sure

there are actually limited wing spots..we know jvr, leo, and nylander are there for sure, and u gotta think martin is on team, and marner right...hes gotta get by hyman, brown, sosh, lupul, michalek, holland, greening, laich...and thats if no wild card player shows up and steals a spot

leivo in for tough task at camp, but he will get the chance to earn a spot

 

[bobermay]

Only 20 roster spots on an NHL team so only the elite few ever make it.

With prospects you want as many as possible because the success rate is small so the more you have the greater the odds of finding some NHL talent among them.

All shinny new prospects always look exciting at the junior levels showing promise.

That said Leivo and Hyman at this spot look like they may see NHL time and that might make them better prospects then ones ranked higher.

Oh, I don't disagree!!

That said lets look at it this way:

------------First Tier-----------------3/3
1. Auston Matthews -- 90.30%
2. Mitch Marner -- 77.42%
3. William Nylander -- 96.95%
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-----------Second Tier---------------4/7
4. Connor Brown -- 35.79%
5. Nikita Zaitsev -- 57.87%
6. Kasperi Kapanen -- 37.50%
7. Connor Carrick -- 35.27%
8. Travis Dermott -- 35.59%
9. Nikita Soshnikov -- 44.68%
10. Andreas Johnson -- 31.60%
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----------Third Tier-------------------3/10
11. Dmytro Timashov -- 26.03%
12. Kerby Rychel -- 42.38%
13. Andrew Nielsen -- 31.48%
14. Yegor Korshkov -- 32.60%
15. Brandon Leipsic -- 23.97%
16. Rinat Valiev -- 24.09%
17. Jeremy Bracco -- 26.42%
18. Carl Grundstrom -- 29.30%
Zach Hyman (looking like he's next at this point)
Josh Leivo
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------------Fourth Tier---------------2/10
Joseph Woll
James (JD) Greenway
Adam Brooks
Jesper Lindgren
Martins Dzierkals
Frederick Gauthier
Keaton Middleton
Frankie Corrado
Tobias Lindberg
Viktor Loov
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-------------Fifth Tier----------------1/10
Antoine Bibeau
Garret Sparks
Nikita Korostelev
Vladimir Bobylev
Kasimir Kaskisuo
Stephen Desrocher
Dakota Joshua
Nicolas Mattinen
Nikolai Chebykin
Pierre Engvall
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-------------Sixth Tier----------------0/6
Jack Walker
Nolan Vesey
Tony Cameranesi
Dominic Toninato
Fabrice Herzog
John Piccinich

Is it unrealistic to think 13 prospects will be NHLers?

 

[Stringer Bell]

I'm pretty sure Tony Cameranesi is just like Jimmy Vesey in that being a NCAA draft pick we retain his rights until August 15th. Clearly we are not interested in signing him to an NHL contract but I think it's possible we offer him an AHL deal like we offered Colin Smith. I think to do that the Marlies still have to wait until August 15th for his rights with the Leafs to expire before offering him an AHL deal...does that make sense?

I think that he would be solid center depth for the Marlies.

 

[Mess]

Oh, I don't disagree!!

That said lets look at it this way:

------------First Tier-----------------3/3
1. Auston Matthews -- 90.30%
2. Mitch Marner -- 77.42%
3. William Nylander -- 96.95%
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-----------Second Tier---------------4/7
4. Connor Brown -- 35.79%
5. Nikita Zaitsev -- 57.87%
6. Kasperi Kapanen -- 37.50%
7. Connor Carrick -- 35.27%
8. Travis Dermott -- 35.59%
9. Nikita Soshnikov -- 44.68%
10. Andreas Johnson -- 31.60%
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----------Third Tier-------------------3/10
11. Dmytro Timashov -- 26.03%
12. Kerby Rychel -- 42.38%
13. Andrew Nielsen -- 31.48%
14. Yegor Korshkov -- 32.60%
15. Brandon Leipsic -- 23.97%
16. Rinat Valiev -- 24.09%
17. Jeremy Bracco -- 26.42%
18. Carl Grundstrom -- 29.30%
Zach Hyman (looking like he's next at this point)
Josh Leivo
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Is it unrealistic to think 13 prospects will be NHLers?

I see our prospects in tiers as well, and it is a good way to sub divided a prospect pool.

However I think if you get 10 prospects out of your top 20 prospect pool hitting on 50% that is a pretty high return.

I think the league average is around 35-40% for good drafting teams. (with +100 NHL games the lower limit). Players playing <100 are not considered successful draft picks.

Leafs picking near the very top in each round help increase odds of success.

 

[MastuhNinks]

Almost to 20 and still a good amount of prospects that would be easily be top 12-15 on most others teams. Lindberg for example was a top 8-10 Sens prospect.

Yet if you ask the main board we have a top-heavy prospect pool with no depth.

 

[Pholus]

Is it unrealistic to think 13 prospects will be NHLers?

Yes because many of these prospects will be competing for the same spot. (eg Valiev/Dermott/Nielsen/Greenway will be competing for 1 or maybe 2 roster spots)

 

[bobermay]

Yes because many of these prospects will be competing for the same spot. (eg Valiev/Dermott/Nielsen/Greenway will be competing for 1 or maybe 2 roster spots)

What does that have to do with anything? Becoming NHLers doesn't mean becoming NHLers with the Leafs.

 

[Mr Hockey*]

1998 birthdays:

• Joseph Woll - 98
• James Greenway - 98
• Keaton Middleton -98
• Nicolas Mattinen - 98

1997 birthdays:

• Auston Matthews - 97
• Mitch Marner - 97
• Carl Grundstrom - 97
• Jeremy Bracco - 97
• Jesper Lindgren - 97
• Martins Dzierkals - 97
• Nikita Korostelev - 97
• Vladimir Bobylev -97
• Nikolai Chebykin - 97

1996 birthdays:

• Kasperi Kapanen - 96
• William Nylander - 96
• Travis Dermott - 96
• Dmytro Timashov - 96
• Yegor Korshkov - 96
• Andrew Nielsen - 96
• Adam Brooks -96
• Stephen Desrocher - 96
• Dakota Joshua - 96
• John Piccinich - 96
• Jack Walker -96
• Nolan Vesey- 96
• Pierre Engvall - 96

1995 birthdays:

• Tobias Lindberg - 95
• Frederik Gauthier - 95
• Rinat Valiev - 95

1994 birthdays:

• Connor Brown - 94
• Connor Carrick - 94
• Andreas Johnson - 94
• Kerby Rychel - 94
• Brandon Leipsic - 94
• Antoine Bibeau - 94
• Dominic Toninato - 94
• Fabrice Herzog - 94

1993 birthdays:

• Nikita Soshnikov - 93
• Josh Leivo - 93
• Frankie Corrado - 93
• Garret Sparks - 93
• Kasimir Kaskisuo -93
• Tony Cameranesi - 93
• Colin Smith - 93

1992 birthdays:

• Zach Hyman - 92
• Viktor Loov - 92
• Justin Holl - 92

1991 birthdays:

• Nikita Zaitsev - 91