2016 Draft Thread IV – Host: Buffalo – Pick: 8th

[Jim Carr's Rug]

there is a clear top 6 and they are all forwards. The team that picks a defensemen in the 4-6 range will be reaching.

Ok... if you want to totally disregard organizational need.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Wait...what? He WAS the 1D for Sarnia and did well in that role and spent much of the season working specifically on his defensive game.

I've seen him a couple times already going to Ice Dog games and a couple Hamilton games and he didn't really stand out from the other players on the ice. Maybe I just had witnessed off nights which seems too coincidental on multiple nights but players like Juolevi stood out and Marner especially in games 3 and 4 against the Ice Dogs. I remember seeing McDavid a couple times and you just had to watch him, he made you watch him but I just never came away from any of those Sarnia games thinking Chychrun could be a player and I know he was 1D. I'm saying his lack of progression this year was maybe that he's not right for that role and those that are expecting some steal at 8th and potential 1D are setting themsevles up for disapointment.

 

[1972]

Chychrun when the biggest let down of any top prospect I've seen live dating back to the first year I've had season tickets for Niagara. That would by echoed by the two others that I went with as well. Although, it was definitely an off night for him on a back to back situation.

 

[Husko]

there is a clear top 6 and they are all forwards. The team that picks a defensemen in the 4-6 range will be reaching. As for poster quieting down about Chychrun being too 2 or 3, it's because it's not a credible opinion, and even though it never really was, there is nothing for them to latch onto anymore.

In your opinion.

 

[Jame]

Credibility with regard to our individual prospect opinions isn't measured by how it aligns with the rest of the Internet.

 

[CaseyMitts37]

If Nylander is available at 8 with Juolevi off the board, I have a hard time seeing GMTM passing on him

 

[Ace]

Credibility with regard to our individual prospect opinions isn't measured by how it aligns with the rest of the Internet.

It's not measured by hopes and crossing fingers due to organizational need either,

Good news guys...the D is going to be there. Keep plugging your ears to ignore why they will be and it will all work out just great.

 

[Chainshot]

I've seen him a couple times already going to Ice Dog games and a couple Hamilton games and he didn't really stand out from the other players on the ice. Maybe I just had witnessed off nights which seems too coincidental on multiple nights but players like Juolevi stood out and Marner especially in games 3 and 4 against the Ice Dogs. I remember seeing McDavid a couple times and you just had to watch him, he made you watch him but I just never came away from any of those Sarnia games thinking Chychrun could be a player and I know he was 1D. I'm saying his lack of progression this year was maybe that he's not right for that role and those that are expecting some steal at 8th and potential 1D are setting themsevles up for disapointment.

I remember having season tickets for the Thunder and wondering why on earth the Sabres had picked Jay McKee most nights. There have only been a few OHL defensemen I've seen live over the years who stood out in a way that had me think they were going to be something spectacular -- Berard and Fogarty. One did, the other didn't. That players have progressed past him at this point in the draft does not damn Chychrun as a failed player.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

If Nylander is available at 8 with Juolevi off the board, I have a hard time seeing GMTM passing on him

You must not have been paying attention - there's zero chance Nylander will be available since he's the undisputed 6th best player in the draft, and there are no legitimate arguments for any other conclusion. If you think there's a chance he'll be there, you're 100% wrong. There are zero other possibilities.

 

[Jame]

It's not measured by hopes and crossing fingers due to organizational need either

No, it's measured years later when we have tangible results.

Good news guys...the D is going to be there. Keep plugging your ears to ignore why they will be and it will all work out just great.

That's nice.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

It's not measured by hopes and crossing fingers due to organizational need either,

Good news guys...the D is going to be there. Keep plugging your ears to ignore why they will be and it will all work out just great.

Are you personally offended that posters like certain players that you don't like? These kids are teenagers - there is no right or wrong at this stage. And even if there was, why would anyone care if someone prefers a different prospect than they do? You guys are hilarious

 

[Sabreality]

my crystal ball > your crystal ball

 

[Jame]

my crystal ball > your crystal ball

Yea, some of us get to say "I told you so".

 

[Slangston]

I still like Keller as a potential candidate to rise into the top ten. His speed is a slight concern of mine as well, but I think that it can be addressed as he continues to add muscle to his legs. His skating technique is fine, he just needs to generate more power with his strides.

I'd be less surprised to see him going top ten than I would Logan Brown, and I like both players.

 

[Old Navy Goat]

Personally, I want Brown at 8. There's a bunch of defensemen I like at the end of the 1st / beginning of the 2nd that I wouldn't mind Murray adding some assets to move up from 38 to try and get.

 

[stokes84]

The bolded is complete and utter bull. There was absolutely a case to be made for Chychrun as the 2nd or 3rd guy. Granted, it was at the beginning of the season before Laine and Pulju definitively passed him by.

Right, a long, long time ago. There hasn't been since January. Same thing happened last year when people were clinging onto Kylington as a top 10 pick long into March/April because of his preseason status.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Personally, I want Brown at 8. There's a bunch of defensemen I like at the end of the 1st / beginning of the 2nd that I wouldn't mind Murray adding some assets to move up from 38 to try and get.

i agree, there's a bunch of D I'm interested in for the 2nd and 3rd round. I hope we get some there as well. 3 of the top 5 picks spent on D makes me happy.

 

[Chainshot]

Personally, I want Brown at 8. There's a bunch of defensemen I like at the end of the 1st / beginning of the 2nd that I wouldn't mind Murray adding some assets to move up from 38 to try and get.

Dineen, Quennville, Girard? Lindgren, Fox? Johansen? Allard?

 

[truthbluth]

I agree. He's Marner without the extra gear. I dig his tenacity off the puck more than anything.



Skill level with the puck is elite. Skating is overrated. Those types of players (small/skill) without the extra gear.... worry me.

There are too many players that are going to be available that fit our needs or have a higher floor along with a similar ceiling, to take Keller at 8.

I'm not willing to bet on him being the next Dylan Larkin. Let someone in the middle of round 1 take that chance.

What the hell is going on here. Am I taking crazy pills?nKeller is every bit the skater that Marner is. If anything, I'd say Marner is a bit ahead on hockey sense. Keller's edge work is nuts, and his straight ahead speed is as good as just about anyone in the draft.

 

[CaseyMitts37]

If Keller was 6'1"+ he would be the consensus #4

 

[Revelate]

Dineen, Quennville, Girard? Lindgren, Fox? Johansen? Allard?

I'm super high on Dineen.

 

[Havok89]

It's not measured by hopes and crossing fingers due to organizational need either,

Good news guys...the D is going to be there. Keep plugging your ears to ignore why they will be and it will all work out just great.

Honestly what kind of upside do you see in Chychrun or Juolevi? Top three? Top four? Bottom pairing? We're picking at #8 here, the posters wanting to draft one of the defenseman aren't expecting a franchise player in this spot.

 

[EichHart]

Honestly what kind of upside do you see in Chychrun or Juolevi? Top three? Top four? Bottom pairing? We're picking at #8 here, the posters wanting to draft one of the defenseman aren't expecting a franchise player in this spot.

The first 3 D man drafted in recent NHL drafts. Top d man in the league are drafted high. As you can see from recent history usually top 3 d in the draft end up being impact players the majority of the time.

2008 NHL Draft

Drew Doughty- #1
Zach Bogosian- Top 4
Alex Pietrangelo- #1

2009 NHL Draft

Victor Hedman- #1
Oliver Ekman-Larsson- #1
Jared Cowen- Top 4

2010 NHL Draft

Erik Gudbranson- #2/3
Dylan McIlrath- Tweener
Cam Fowler- Top 2

2011 NHL Draft

Adam Larsson- #1/2
Jonas Brodin- #2/3
Duncan Siemens- Tweener

2012 NHL Draft

Griffin Reinhart- Tweener/TBA
Morgan Rielly- #2/3
Hampus Lindholm- #1

2013 NHL Draft

Seth Jones- #1/2
Darnell Nurse- Top 4/TBA
Rasmus Ristolainen- #1/2

2014 NHL Draft

Aaron Ekblad- #1
Haydn Fleury- TBA
Julius Honka- TBA

2015 NHL Draft

Noah Hanifin- Top 4/TBA
Ivan Provorov- Best D prospect in hockey
Zach Werenski- 2nd Best D prospect in hockey

2016 NHL Draft

Jacob Chychrun
Olli Juolevi
Mikhail Sergachev

 

[Old Navy Goat]

Dineen, Quennville, Girard? Lindgren, Fox? Johansen? Allard?

I like Dineen, but my favorites are Clague, Hajek, Moverare, and Cholowski. Cholowski will be a project as he's headed to the NCAA just like Fabbro so some slow percolating will work wonders.

 

[Sabreality]

yeah i'm all aboard the Moverare train. dont thnk he lasts til the 3rds