Proposal: 2016-17 Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread Part XII

[SixthSens]

Part XI

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Some last posts:

Wouldn't do the Eberle/Ryan swap.

Eberle looks like a lazy player often when I see him. Plus he's about the size of JG Pageau. I don't want that in the top six.

He's falling out of favour with some Edmonton fans for a reason, it would be good to hear their take on it.

He would clearly be one of our top point producers with elite skill. I see him as a Havlat type player for us. A player who can create his own oppotunities. we are definitely missing that. Duchene is closer to Turris.

Agree with not gutting the team or the farm. Dorion will have a list of players he is willing to move for certain assets, and he should stick to it. Names like Chabot and White will be on it; not sure about Brown.

The goal has to be Senators get better.

I like Karlsson but I don't think you can win with him. I observed him a lot lately and it appears that he has an ego bigger than the arena. It's like "I'm so good and others are crap" sort of thing. The way he got into Pageau's way after JG took a penalty in the first is not really what I want to see from a Captain. The way he reacts after plays redirecting the blame on others is not what I want to see. I never seen that from Alfredsson. The ironic thing is that Karlsson should look himself in the mirror if he thinks others are to blame. The way that Karlsson plays results in so many goals against. It is better than before this year, but it is slowly reverting back to normal. He seems to be losing focus and trying to do too much, exactly like Spezza did after losing the real leader in Alfredsson. In fact, I see him a bit like the Spezza of defense. He can be so good but seriously last night he wasn't much better than Chris Wideman

That's the way I see it. What could the Sens get for Karlsson is the question.

Hopefully I am wrong and it's something else, but there is something not working with the chemistry of this team. We have seen recently how good they can be when they are on the same page (vs the Caps, vs the Lightning, etc) but sometimes they look like they never played together before. OK the game last night could have been different if they scored instead of missing the net on glorious chances but that's an overall feeling I have with them. Let's see how they respond but does anyone think a Karlsson trade could eventually benefit this team? (example : Lindholm + Rakell +)

Reading the board quickly, it seems that people think that if you get rid of Ryan, problems will be solved magically, but I can guarantee you that this type of games happens with Ryan or without.

Oh and getting rid of Brassard would be a mistake, one of the best 2-way players on the team.

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[Micklebot]

Dammit, I was too slow. Oh well, you win this round 6thsens.

As for trade proposals, I'd like to see us improve on Kelly, Neil/Lazar, and Boro, whether or not its via internal or external options.

Ideal world, find a LHD on a struggling team that's undervalued but can be a long term addition (like Petry when Mtl snagged him). As for Kelly, I'd love Boyle, but that's likely too pricey. Neil/Lazar I'd be satisfied with internal options like White coming in, or another low cost Wingels type deal.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

That post made my brain hurt.

Trade Karlsson? Brassard is one of our best 2-way guys? Am I on an alternate Earth?

 

[Mingus Dew]

If you trade Karlsson then that means it's 100% full-on rebuild time. I'm talking scorched earth here.

It's obviously an option worth considering if management is convinced that this iteration of the team is incapable of contending. I'm personally not quite at that point yet but I can understand if some people feel that way.

 

[Fandlauer]

If you trade Karlsson then that means it's 100% full-on rebuild time. I'm talking scorched earth here.

It's obviously an option worth considering if management is convinced that this iteration of the team is incapable of contending. I'm personally not quite at that point yet but I can understand if some people feel that way.

Absolutely. This season will prove a lot.

If disaster were to strike and we implode down the stretch here, I certainly wouldn't be against the idea of seeing what we can get for EK.

 

[Zorf]

yeah, add me to the list of people who think trading Karlsson is a bad idea. Like the worst of the bad ideas. Like if you took every single bad idea that you had and sorted them from absolute worst to least worst, you would start with the idea of trading Karlsson. Then you would follow that up with the thought of [mod]. Then you would slot in the notion that advanced stats is the one and only way to evaluate players. Then you would follow that up by the idea that going 2nd in a game of Rochambeau is a good strategy. Then you would finally put down the idea that this is the week to buy 5 lottery tickets rather than just one because that really boosts your chances like so much.




edit: Awwwww man!

 

[Zorf]

Absolutely. This season will prove a lot.

If disaster were to strike and we implode down the stretch here, I certainly wouldn't be against the idea of seeing what we can get for EK.

For a team that is already struggling to get fans to games, trading away EK would make me think that the team's new plan is to have no fans attend games ever again.

 

[ZekeA]

¿¿¿ A question???

When is the trade deadline?????

 

[Hutz]

If you trade Karlsson then that means it's 100% full-on rebuild time. I'm talking scorched earth here.

It's obviously an option worth considering if management is convinced that this iteration of the team is incapable of contending. I'm personally not quite at that point yet but I can understand if some people feel that way.

It sure looks like we've got a competent coach. If the team falters in a big way the next step is a change of on-ice personnel. We've changed coaches enough. I said at the start of the year give them 2 years and if the trend is not positive enough over that time, then it's time to look at blowing it up and I stick by that. Blowing it up obviously has to include at least the idea of dangling Karlsson out there.

The problem with dealing him is no matter the return, it's pretty much guaranteed to be disappointing at least short term if not long term. If we're in rebuild mode it pretty much has to be for futures and those could all end up being garbage. It would be a bittersweet move at best.

Anyway, I still feel it's still way too early for that kind of crazy talk.

Edit; by the way, I can't believe that XSpyrit started that discussion! It's like the first negative thing I've heard you say and it's wild in that no one else has expressed that yet! I feel like you've gotta sharpen your teeth with some Ryan and Ceci bashing first

 

[50 in 07]

Yes, as reported, teams have called the Senators to express interest in the club’s 21-year-old winger before the March 1 NHL trade deadline because they see his playing time has been limited under coach Guy Boucher, but that doesn’t mean Ottawa is about to deal Lazar.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/02/07...trade-curtis-lazar-despite-plenty-of-interest

 

[Mingus Dew]

http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/02/07...trade-curtis-lazar-despite-plenty-of-interest

Part of me thinks this is Garrioch trying to create a market for Lazar where none exists. But maybe not.

Regardless, I think if you can snag something like a 2nd rounder for Lazar you pull the trigger ASAP. I don't think he has a meaningful future with this team (and I'm someone who originally expected him to be a mainstay on the 3rd line for years to come; oh well).

 

[ekarlsson65]

Dammit, I was too slow. Oh well, you win this round 6thsens.

As for trade proposals, I'd like to see us improve on Kelly, Neil/Lazar, and Boro, whether or not its via internal or external options.

Ideal world, find a LHD on a struggling team that's undervalued but can be a long term addition (like Petry when Mtl snagged him). As for Kelly, I'd love Boyle, but that's likely too pricey. Neil/Lazar I'd be satisfied with internal options like White coming in, or another low cost Wingels type deal.

Lazar for Hutton? maybe Lazar and Claesson for Hutton?

 

[Hutz]

Part of me thinks this is Garrioch trying to create a market for Lazar where none exists. But maybe not.

Meh, I believe him 100%. Lazar's only 21, there's still a market for him, teams will be interested. They will be looking to buy low though, so don't expect him to be dealt because the return's not worth giving up on him yet. Doubt there's a second on the table at this point.

 

[Liver King]

Ryan+Lazar for Eberle+ ( could player(s) to even out salary)

Ceci+1st+prospect for Landeskog

Hoffman-Turris-Stone
Landeskog-Brassard-Eberle
Smith-Pageau-Dzingel

 

[ekarlsson65]

I think most trade proposals of Ceci going to the Avs is a tad unrealistic. Colorado has Barrie and Johnson on their right-side. If anything, I can see them wanting a Cam Fowler, maybe Ben Hutton, maybe Kulikov as a FA. I just don't see them adding Ceci and moving him to the left-side.

Unless they trade Barrie in a deal to grab Davidson and a good F first, but until then, I dunno, maybe it's just my train of thought

 

[wprager]

Serious questions:
1 Is Hall > Lando?
2 Is Larsson > Ceci? If so, by how much?

I honestly don't see why it would have to be Ceci plus 1st plus prospect. Could it be straight up one for one? Probably not, but it shouldn't be much more than that.

 

[Hutz]

I think most trade proposals of Ceci going to the Avs is a tad unrealistic. Colorado has Barrie and Johnson on their right-side. If anything, I can see them wanting a Cam Fowler, maybe Ben Hutton, maybe Kulikov as a FA. I just don't see them adding Ceci and moving him to the left-side.

Unless they trade Barrie in a deal to grab Davidson and a good F first, but until then, I dunno, maybe it's just my train of thought

No, you're spot on. It's not gonna stop the Ceci proposals, though. Many have tried.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Serious questions:
1 Is Hall > Lando?
2 Is Larsson > Ceci? If so, by how much?

I honestly don't see why it would have to be Ceci plus 1st plus prospect. Could it be straight up one for one? Probably not, but it shouldn't be much more than that.

Yes to both.

 

[Hutz]

Serious questions:
1 Is Hall > Lando?
2 Is Larsson > Ceci? If so, by how much?

I honestly don't see why it would have to be Ceci plus 1st plus prospect. Could it be straight up one for one? Probably not, but it shouldn't be much more than that.

In a vacuum, yeah maybe it approximates the value to that trade. In reality, though, Colorado isn't going to do it. They don't have to deal Landeskog, they'll only do so for an overpayment which Ceci alone is most definitely not. As EK65 pointed out, he doesn't really fit what they're looking for. Also, remember how badly Edmonton got bashed for that trade? People were laughing at them for doing that.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

When is the trade deadline?????

Tuesday, February 28

 

[ekarlsson65]

No, you're spot on. It's not gonna stop the Ceci proposals, though. Many have tried.

The Ceci proposals are fine, that's what this forum is for. It's just some of the teams that are selected just do not make sense. I'll put together a small list of teams I think where he could be a fit and potentially (in some cases) protected through expansion:

Boston (need everything)
Buffalo (is McCabe eligible for expansion protection?)
Calgary (can we sell high on a trade partner for Brodie?)
Dallas (tire fire outside of Klingberg, Hamhuis and Honka)
Detroit (Christ)
Edmonton (Sell high for a partner for Sekera who is RH)
LA (no depth killed them in last year's playoffs)
New Jersey (Need someone behind Severson but they are analytics savy so they might see through the bs)
Tampa Bay (I know they are trying to acquire a RHD)
Vancouver (Benning is a moron)

 

[SpezDispenser]

It's time to try to pawn Ryan off on someone. Hopefully someone unsuspecting that wants to pay something for him.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Serious questions:
1 Is Hall > Lando? Yes IMO, Hall is more of a game breaker
2 Is Larsson > Ceci? Yes ~25%If so, by how much?

I honestly don't see why it would have to be Ceci plus 1st plus prospect. Could it be straight up one for one? Probably not, but it shouldn't be much more than that.

So we have a pattern of 1 established.

 

[Hutz]

The Ceci proposals are fine, that's what this forum is for. It's just some of the teams that are selected just do not make sense. I'll put together a small list of teams I think where he could be a fit and potentially (in some cases) protected through expansion:

Boston (need everything)
Buffalo (is McCabe eligible for expansion protection?)
Calgary (can we sell high on a trade partner for Brodie?)
Dallas (tire fire outside of Klingberg, Hamhuis and Honka)
Detroit (Christ)
Edmonton (Sell high for a partner for Sekera who is RH)
LA (no depth killed them in last year's playoffs)
New Jersey (Need someone behind Severson but they are analytics savy so they might see through the bs)
Tampa Bay (I know they are trying to acquire a RHD)
Vancouver (Benning is a moron)

True, but I specifically meant the proposals using Ceci as a centrepiece for a Duchene/Landeskog trade. People want to jam him down their throats but I don't think they're having it. It's Chabot or nothing. Just my opinion, of course.

 

[Very Stable Genius]

The unwillingness to let go of a bust/fringe player like Curtis Lazar is everything that's wrong with this organization in a nutshell.