Proposal: 2015 Offseason Trade Rumours & Proposals | Part VIII - Electric Trade-aloo

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Vatanen is good player but if we were to trade Hoff to Anaheim I want Fowler. We don't need a RHD offensive specialist. Fowler on the other hand is exactly what we're looking for on D.

I can live with

Methot-Karlsson
Fowler-Ceci

That's a really good top 4. At least we have Prince, Puempel and Paul as LW prospects to replace Hoffman.

 

[aragorn]

Listen, I love Hoff, but Vatanen is great. Just because you like to revise your own history, doesn't mean I wouldn't trade Hoff for a special player. BTW, Stewart is not that player.

No, Stewart is no longer that player, what about Tom Wilson?

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

I would probably do Hoffman for Vatanen but at the same time if we acquired vatanen i'd still want another top 4 dman with a more stable defensive game.

I love Tom Wilson's game but i feel hes just going to be a good bottom 6er. I dont think he has much upside. His cost would probably be high based on his draft position and it seems Washington fans really think hes useful. He's not a guy i would trade goal scoring or high point-producing prospects for. I'd be pressed to even trade an early second for him. I doubt you could acquire him for what i think hes worth

 

[stempniaksen]

I'm a huge Vatanen fan, but if there's a team in the league who doesn't need an offenisve RHD it's Ottawa. The value is fair (may even be slanted in Ottawa's favour) but dealing Hoffman for Vatanen would be dealing from a position of relative weakness (good depth but no top end guys) for a position of strength (Karlsson eating up all the PP time, and Ceci behind him).

Anaheim is a heck of a fit for a trade though, as they have Lindholm, Fowler, Despres and Theodore on the left side. All those guys are intruiging (although I doubt they move Fowler or Lindholm).

 

[Busboy]

I was listening to NHLNetwork Radio and they were commenting on how when Stamkos gets near his FA, if the Lightning don't offer him the money that a team like the Leafs would in a heartbeat. Made me think, could you imagine if Eugene was pretending to be broke and keep us 10m below the cap so we could swoop in and offer Stamkos a massive contract and shock the league? Just a tinfoil hat theory. I don't really believe that Melnyk actually isn't broke.

We would need to be more than 10m below the cap to get Stamkos as a UFA. Probably would get at least 12m.

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

Vatanen is good player but if we were to trade Hoff to Anaheim I want Fowler. We don't need a RHD offensive specialist. Fowler on the other hand is exactly what we're looking for on D.

I can live with

Methot-Karlsson
Fowler-Ceci

That's a really good top 4. At least we have Prince, Puempel and Paul as LW prospects to replace Hoffman.

Agreed, acquiring Fowler is my #1 choice in DMan trade targets.

Hoffman + Cowen/Wiercioch + Prince + 1st
for
Fowler + 3rd

 

[scallionjj11]

Vatanen is good player but if we were to trade Hoff to Anaheim I want Fowler. We don't need a RHD offensive specialist. Fowler on the other hand is exactly what we're looking for on D.

I can live with

Methot-Karlsson
Fowler-Ceci

That's a really good top 4. At least we have Prince, Puempel and Paul as LW prospects to replace Hoffman.

Anaheim will let neither go for cheap.

Trust me, I've made threads about acquiring a ducks d and it went terrible wrong.

Also, Lets just say that Lazer was in the package going the other way

 

[scallionjj11]

Agreed, acquiring Fowler is my #1 choice in DMan trade targets.

Hoffman + Cowen/Wiercioch + Prince + 1st
for
Fowler + 3rd

doubt that gets done either, take it to the main board and see whats up.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

doubt that gets done either, take it to the main board and see whats up.

The main boards have no actual bearing on a real trade.

 

[Ice-Tray]

doubt that gets done either, take it to the main board and see whats up.

Fans have no idea and are generally way off in terms of player value, especially when receiving trade offers.

There is literally no point in taking trade proposals to the mainboard unless you're a glutton for dumps, like fielding them, all day.

 

[JD1]

We would need to be more than 10m below the cap to get Stamkos as a UFA. Probably would get at least 12m.

I wouldn't touch Stamkos with a 10 foot pole as a UFA. He hasn't been the same since he broke his leg. His own coach didn't have him on the ice at some of the most crucial times in the Cup final. Don Cherry can go crazy all he wants, but there were a few guys on Tampa that looked a lot more dangerous than Stamkos did during the playoffs. And I suspect that it is causing Yzeman some sleepless nights. They could have signed him to a new deal at the beginning of the month and haven't. Maybe Cooper is saying don't bother.

Somebody is going to give him a ridiculous amount of money and term and regret it 1/3 of the way in to the contract. I hope it's Toronto

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Even in a down season he had 43 goals (2nd in the league) and 71 points in a year where the top goal scorer had 80something points.....It depends what Stamkos is asking for.

Depending on the context of the team signing him, if he is asking for Crosby/Toews/Kane/Parise money (roughly 11M), it is an easy yes. Even if he just stays a top 3 goal scorer in the league and never hits 60/90 again, he is still worth that much.

If he is looking for Ovechkin money (what ever is comparable to Ovechkin's massive cap hit that was signed when the cap was much lower), I wouldn't do it.

It is a tough situation for Tampa, because considering the amount of great offensive players they have, there are legitimate arguments to both sign, or trade Stamkos.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Even in a down season he had 43 goals (2nd in the league) and 71 points in a year where the top goal scorer had 80something points.....It depends what Stamkos is asking for.

Depending on the context of the team signing him, if he is asking for Crosby/Toews/Kane/Parise money (roughly 11M), it is an easy yes. Even if he just stays a top 3 goal scorer in the league and never hits 60/90 again, he is still worth that much.

If he is looking for Ovechkin money (what ever is comparable to Ovechkin's massive cap hit that was signed when the cap was much lower), I wouldn't do it.

It is a tough situation for Tampa, because considering the amount of great offensive players they have, there are legitimate arguments to both sign, or trade Stamkos.

Tampa has that triplet line that can really play. I would think they try their best to keep him and I think winning and team success will be important to Stamkos.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Stamkos is one of my favourite players but ultimately if he hits the FA market I don't want anything to do with him. The type of money required to sign that kind of player wouldn't be anything I would want to pay any player in a cap era. Contending teams are just too deep for that to ever be a successful strategy barring some incredible prospect pool thag could make up for it in cheap contracts. I almost hope the Leafs sign him to 10+ million per season for that reason.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Stamkos is one of my favourite players but ultimately if he hits the FA market I don't want anything to do with him. The type of money required to sign that kind of player wouldn't be anything I would want to pay any player in a cap era. Contending teams are just too deep for that to ever be a successful strategy barring some incredible prospect pool thag could make up for it in cheap contracts. I almost hope the Leafs sign him to 10+ million per season for that reason.

I disagree. If you go back and look at teams who were contenders or made the cup final or even won a cup, multiple teams had a player or players making the equivalent of 10+ million under today's salary cap.

11M today would be 15.4% of the cap.

Pittsburgh had both Crosby and Malkin at 8.7 each under a 56M cap which is roughly 15 each.

Detroit signed Datsyk to 6.7 under a 50M cap and were successful.

Washington were a contender with Ovechkin at 9.5 under a 56M cap.

Boston had Chara under a massive deal.

That's off the top of my head. Big salaries only handcuff teams when that player becomes an abomination ala Richards, or when the team drafts and trades poorly. Drafting well=cost controlled NHL talent.

 

[BigBush*]

I wouldn't touch Stamkos with a 10 foot pole as a UFA. He hasn't been the same since he broke his leg. His own coach didn't have him on the ice at some of the most crucial times in the Cup final. Don Cherry can go crazy all he wants, but there were a few guys on Tampa that looked a lot more dangerous than Stamkos did during the playoffs. And I suspect that it is causing Yzeman some sleepless nights. They could have signed him to a new deal at the beginning of the month and haven't. Maybe Cooper is saying don't bother.

Somebody is going to give him a ridiculous amount of money and term and regret it 1/3 of the way in to the contract. I hope it's Toronto

Nonsense.

Adding Stamkos to this team, ESPECIALLY AS A UFA WITHOUT GIVING UP ASSETS would give us our best shot at the cup.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Nonsense.

Adding Stamkos to this team, ESPECIALLY AS A UFA WITHOUT GIVING UP ASSETS would give us our best shot at the cup.

If Ottawa is able to spend to the cap, signing Stamkos next year would be a dream scenario. Even if it took 11M per x 7 years.

Aside from Hoffman as that hasn't been settled yet, a lot of the core players are signed cheap over the next 3 seasons. There's also a lot of veteran cap coming off the books (Michalek, Neil, Phillips, Greening, Smith=around 13M in flexible cap space).

It would probably never happen, but it would have the added bonus of being a great way to troll Leaf fans.

 

[MyTwoSens]

But that would also leave us with Stamkos, Turris and Zibby at C... You've gotta think Turris or Zibby would be on their way out unfortunately. Either that or they try to trade ryan and try out Zibby on the wing again (not a big fan of this option at all).

Either way, all three would be major trade pieces. I don't see Ottawa doing it, but if they did, they would gain a huge asset in stamkos as well as gain cap space in a trade for some of these guys/get some major assets back.

Just imagine EK and Stone feeding Stamkos.... wow.

 

[topshelf15]

But that would also leave us with Stamkos, Turris and Zibby at C... You've gotta think Turris or Zibby would be on their way out unfortunately. Either that or they try to trade ryan and try out Zibby on the wing again (not a big fan of this option at all).

Either way, all three would be major trade pieces. I don't see Ottawa doing it, but if they did, they would gain a huge asset in stamkos as well as gain cap space in a trade for some of these guys/get some major assets back.

Just imagine EK and Stone feeding Stamkos.... wow.

Thats the only way we would get him,is by trade and resign tbh .Zibby would be gone as well as some very nice pieces,i would,nt have an issue with it tbh .But iam sure TB would rather move him out west

 

[aragorn]

I don't like the idea of making a trade that results in creating a hole somewhere else. While it can be argued that Ottawa has a lot of depth at LW, it can also be argued that 26 goals could be very hard to replace. There is no guarantee that Prince, Puempel or anyone else can step into the NHL & score 26 goals as Hoffman has. Some thought Conacher or even Filatov were going to be great top 6 scoring forwards but as it turned out, they were not.

There is also no guarantee that Hoffman can do it again but this is the 3rd league in a row where he has become an all star & where he led his team in scoring, he has been trending upwards. Just like Mark Stone has shown that he has scored at all levels, so has Hoffman & I wouldn't be in such a hurry to trade him regardless of his contract negotiations.

Ottawa has a number of trading chips that they could use in any deal that have some value & wouldn't be all that much such as Pageau, Chiasson, Smith, Neil, one of Wiercioch or Cowen, Wideman, Prince & Dreidger. All have some value & I'm quite sure that a package could be made up from those players along with some picks to get a good deal done rather than trading a good producing roster player.

 

[topshelf15]

I don't like the idea of making a trade that results in creating a hole somewhere else. While it can be argued that Ottawa has a lot of depth at LW, it can also be argued that 26 goals could be very hard to replace. There is no guarantee that Prince, Puempel or anyone else can step into the NHL & score 26 goals as Hoffman has. Some thought Conacher or even Filatov were going to be great top 6 scoring forwards but as it turned out, they were not.

There is also no guarantee that Hoffman can do it again but this is the 3rd league in a row where he has become an all star & where he led his team in scoring, he has been trending upwards. Just like Mark Stone has shown that he has scored at all levels, so has Hoffman & I wouldn't be in such a hurry to trade him regardless of his contract negotiations.

Ottawa has a number of trading chips that they could use in any deal that have some value & wouldn't be all that much such as Pageau, Chiasson, Smith, Neil, one of Wiercioch or Cowen, Wideman, Prince & Dreidger. All have some value & I'm quite sure that a package could be made up from those players along with some picks to get a good deal done rather than trading a good producing roster player.

I suspect they would want a cheaper option at center ,as part of any deal .I think it would be zibby,seeing as he still has RFA years left,which is fine .We would also have to move more cap out still to make a deal work.But its doable ,and the timing would be pretty close tbh .Adding a guy like him ,would complete the forward core down the middle ,and allow us to have a very dangerous 1 2 punch

 

[operasen]

Nonsense.

Adding Stamkos to this team, ESPECIALLY AS A UFA WITHOUT GIVING UP ASSETS would give us our best shot at the cup.

Stamkos will sign with Leafs before Ottawa. He'd be seen as their saviour - BUT he'd mess up the rebuild by keeping them from a real shot at the very top draft choices.

And if Leafs miss on Stamkos, they can always bid on the Sedins for probably the same amount.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Pageau is not a trade chip. Pageau is part of the developing core.

 

[Bileur]

Pageau is not a trade chip. Pageau is part of the developing core.

I agree. I don't see any reason to include Pageau in a deal, particularly since he seems like the type that would have more value to the team he currently plays for than to other teams. I don't think you get a full appreciation of what he does without watching him every day and knowing how hard he works. Not to mention he's one of the better faceoff guys on a bad faceoff team. He's also very consistent in his effort, speed and physical play and drives the play for the team.

On top of that he's on a very cap friendly deal.

Furthermore there's the Gatineau ties which in my view make him invaluable to marketing efforts across the bridge.

I need to stop thinking about this or this post will become far too long.

Bonus: he's very effective against the Habs.

 

[Karl Cowensson]

Wouldn't want to trade him, but he's pretty expendable. Guys like Lazar or Paul could anchor the third line easily, if not this year, next for sure. If Pageau is the extra piece that gets us a top 4 D you make that trade 100%