2014 NHL Entry Draft Part 4

[Richiebottles]

isnt he the racist ? If so that would work out well with our team lmao

He sounds like a Krug type of player plus attitude problems.

I reallly don't see him being an NHL player at all to be honnest. Sure he can put up points but he is bad on D and undersized. I would stay far far away.

 

[bigtimehockeyfan999*]

Don't know why, I will surely be wrong, but I'm expecting McCann to fall beyond 20. Never 2nd round.....shouldn't be but after 20. I would think that some scouts are afraid that his ceiling might come earlier than expected.

i hope he falls...i want that player...i reaallly want theat player.

 

[Whitesnake]

Here's my list where I look more stupid than anything, as I put tons of people in there, and none are picked by the Habs. So in the end, if you want to know who WON'T be picked by us....here's the list. So I dressed the top 5 and Honourable mentions for each pick we have so far. Also dressed the list of the goalies I would pick at one point in the draft and my a list of Raw prospects that I'd like us to pick and just can't put in my list as they are so raw, some could have them in the 2nd, or in the 6th. So since we don't have a 2nd round, it's much tougher so I will add a few guys in there in the 1st round and some in the 3rd round that WILL be gone in the 2nd....And the 1st round this year is so all over the place, I have 6 picks and 6 Honourable mentions ( and again, guess what...I won't have the player that we pick....). I also added a small list of No Drafts mostly based on the fact that I don't want them at the rank they are scheduled to go. Not because I hate them....

Just that, this is how I see the year of my armchair scouting.....Can,t wait to see the results whether it's for us or the rest of the league. Here we go!

ROUND 1
Nikolai Goldobin / Brendan Lemieux / Jack Dougherty / Connor Bleackley /Jakub Vrana / Nick Schmaltz
HM
Josh Ho-Sang / Nick Magyar / Ryan Donato / Markus Pettersson / Roland McKeown / Jack Glover

ROUND 3
Dominic Turgeon / Noah Rod / Anton Karlsson / Alexis Vanier / Dominik Masin
HM
Blake Siebenaler / Axel Holmstrom / Austin Poganski / Nicolas Aube-Kubel / Shayne Eiserman

ROUND 4
Dexter Dancs / Connor Chatham / Ryan Collins / Matthew Mistele / Jonathan MacLeod
HM
Juho Lammikko / Shane Gersich / Adam Olias Mattsson / Philippe Gadoury /Jake Walman

ROUND 5
Dylan Sadowy / Christian Jaros / Aaron Haydon / Alex Schoenborn / Jack Ramsey
HM
Ondrej Kase / Francis Perron / Dryden Hunt / Robert Carpenter / Ryan Verbeek

ROUND 5
Julien Pelletier / Ryan Mantha / Ryan Hitchcock/ Dakota Joshua / Alexandre Goulet
HM
Nelson Nogier / William Lagesson / Chris Wilkie / Ryan Rehill / Henri Tornqvist

ROUND 6
J. J. Piccinich / Chase Phelps / Kevin Elgestål / Alexis Pepin / Connor Murphy
HM
Jaedon Descheneau / Blake Clarke / Waltteri Hopponen / Olivier LeBlanc / Oskar Lindblom

ROUND 7
David Tomasek / Trevor Moore / Anders Bjork / Milan Kolena / Cristiano DiGincinto
HM
Andrei A. Mironov / Radel Fazleyev / Maxim Letunov / Evan Allen / Pavel Kraskovsky

LONG-TERM PROJECTS
Warren Foegele / Karson Kuhlman / Vladimir Tkachev / Tyler Bird / Nick Wolff / Spencer Watson / Beau Starrett / Kyle Wood / Nikita Tryamkin

GOALIES
Thatcher Demko / Hugo Fagerblom / Brandon Halverson / Logan Halladay / Matthew Mancina / Kasimir Kaskisuo / Ken Appleby / Hayden Lavigne

NO DRAFT
Chase De Leo
Jayce Hawryluk
Brayden Point
Hunter Smith
Vaclav Karabacek
Tyson Baillie
Matthew Highmore
Reid Duke
Julien Nantel
Anthony DeLuca
Carl Neill
Roberts Lipsbergs
Rinat Valiyev

 

[Analyzer*]

This is Rinat Valiyev 2nd year of draft eligibility. Why is he a no draft for you ? Would likely be a 7th rounder.

Also, Vanier and Nicolas Aube-Kubel won't be there for our 3rd picks.

Did you just say Anton Karlsson in the 3rd ?

 

[Whitesnake]

This is Rinat Valiyev 2nd year of draft eligibility. Why is he a no draft for you ? Would likely be a 7th rounder.

Also, Vanier and Nicolas Aube-Kubel won't be there for our 3rd picks.

Did you just say Anton Karlsson in the 3rd ?

As I said, not having a 2nd round made me hope some would fall to the 3rd as we also can't picked them in the 1st.. So whether it's Vanier, Aubé-Kubel or Karlsson or others...that's why I have so many 1st round....and also a few 3rd rounds that won't be there when we talk. And some 1st rounds in there that suits more as 2nd rounders. Besides, I'm taking Gran't words than Karlsson might not be as high in real scouts lists than in ours and that some scouts see him go 2nd/3rd. Maybe not low 3rd...I know.

For Valiev, I never ended up watching a game when he showed some interesting hockey IQ. 2nd season up for draft, he didn't improve, despite what the numbers say, at least to my liking. Yet, like I said, I had him ND as I'm predicting he'll go 4th/5th round and don't want him there. If he goes 7th round...why not. Still wouldn't be my pick...but it would be fine there.

 

[yianik]

Buttons has Kempe at 10, hope he is wrong. He might be a guy to trade up a few spots to get. Vrana interesting as well.

 

[Mathletic]

NO DRAFT
Jayce Hawryluk
Brayden Point
Tyson Baillie

How come?

 

[bigtimehockeyfan999*]

Buttons has Kempe at 10, hope he is wrong. He might be a guy to trade up a few spots to get. Vrana interesting as well.

everytime i see kempe...i just see hemp ....you could safely assume he'll be a pretty high pick.

 

[NLHabsFan]

At 26, if (unlikely) both McKeown and Sanheim are available who would you prefer?

 

[NLHabsFan]

ROUND 1
Nikolai Goldobin / Brendan Lemieux / Jack Dougherty / Connor Bleackley /Jakub Vrana / Nick Schmaltz
HM
Josh Ho-Sang / Nick Magyar / Ryan Donato / Markus Pettersson / Roland McKeown / Jack Glover

ROUND 3
Dominic Turgeon / Noah Rod / Anton Karlsson / Alexis Vanier / Dominik Masin
HM
Blake Siebenaler / Axel Holmstrom / Austin Poganski / Nicolas Aube-Kubel / Shayne Eiserman

ROUND 4
Dexter Dancs / Connor Chatham / Ryan Collins / Matthew Mistele / Jonathan MacLeod
HM
Juho Lammikko / Shane Gersich / Adam Olias Mattsson / Philippe Gadoury /Jake Walman

ROUND 5
Dylan Sadowy / Christian Jaros / Aaron Haydon / Alex Schoenborn / Jack Ramsey
HM
Ondrej Kase / Francis Perron / Dryden Hunt / Robert Carpenter / Ryan Verbeek

ROUND 5
Julien Pelletier / Ryan Mantha / Ryan Hitchcock/ Dakota Joshua / Alexandre Goulet
HM
Nelson Nogier / William Lagesson / Chris Wilkie / Ryan Rehill / Henri Tornqvist

ROUND 6
J. J. Piccinich / Chase Phelps / Kevin Elgestål / Alexis Pepin / Connor Murphy
HM
Jaedon Descheneau / Blake Clarke / Waltteri Hopponen / Olivier LeBlanc / Oskar Lindblom

ROUND 7
David Tomasek / Trevor Moore / Anders Bjork / Milan Kolena / Cristiano DiGincinto
HM
Andrei A. Mironov / Radel Fazleyev / Maxim Letunov / Evan Allen / Pavel Kraskovsky

LONG-TERM PROJECTS
Warren Foegele / Karson Kuhlman / Vladimir Tkachev / Tyler Bird / Nick Wolff / Spencer Watson / Beau Starrett / Kyle Wood / Nikita Tryamkin

GOALIES
Thatcher Demko / Hugo Fagerblom / Brandon Halverson / Logan Halladay / Matthew Mancina / Kasimir Kaskisuo / Ken Appleby / Hayden Lavigne

NO DRAFT
Chase De Leo
Jayce Hawryluk
Brayden Point
Daniel Audette
Hunter Smith
Vaclav Karabacek
Tyson Baillie
Matthew Highmore
Reid Duke
Julien Nantel
Anthony DeLuca
Carl Neill
Roberts Lipsbergs
Rinat Valiyev

I love reading your lists every year WS

I like both Lemieux and Pettersson, wish we had a 2nd round pick(s) for one/both of them, but I don't know if I like them in round 1. I don't think Vanier makes it to the Habs in the 3rd, but it would be great if he did. I really like Chatham, I think he can be a bottom 6 energy guy that is needed to pick up a team when they're down.

Why De Leo, Smith, and Nantel as NDs?

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

At 26, if (unlikely) both McKeown and Sanheim are available who would you prefer?

I'm bigger on Sanheim. Better frame and has more poise with the puck. For me, McKeown's upside is not particularly high despite his skating ability. He just feels like a bottom pairing guy to me if he makes the NHL. If he he makes it further than that, good on him.

I guess I see Sanheim being a potential 2nd pairing guy, for comparisons sake.

 

[Em Ancien]

No Audette? I think he's very underrated. Has a lot of skill.

 

[QuebecPride]

No Audette? I think he's very underrated. Has a lot of skill.

WS probably thinks he's not worth it in the 3rd round, which is where he's slated to get picked.

 

[TT1]

karabacek or bunting would be a slam dunk if they fell to us in the late 3rd

 

[S Bah]

This guy reminds me of toews...he's an excellent skater...sick hands and speed and 2 way player.....he's got character...you can just tell from his interviews that he's very mature...i'd like to move up for him...or trade something for a 1st round pick and get him and ho-sang/bleackley.

Good choice him and Fabbri if they drop, this draft is all about the dark horses and those two are as good as any IMHO.

 

[TT1]

This guy reminds me of toews...he's an excellent skater...sick hands and speed and 2 way player.....he's got character...you can just tell from his interviews that he's very mature...i'd like to move up for him...or trade something for a 1st round pick and get him and ho-sang/bleackley.

Good choice him and Fabbri if they drop, this draft is all about the dark horses and those two are as good as any IMHO.

Agreed, Fabbri is this year's biggest darkhorse. Top 10 player in my eyes but he'll go at around #15 due to his size.

 

[FisherKing]

I have this odd feeling we'll draft Hunter Smith.

I have a similar feeling, or at least, wouldn't be shocked if the Habs did take Hunter. It really depends on who's left on the board and where Timmins sees Hunter on the development curve as compared to someone like say Bleakley whom I like. It's all about upside. There seems to be concerns by posters on here much more knowledgable than I that Bleakley might be close to the top of his development curve and may plateau fairly early and thus have limited upside. Redline (whom I'm not a big fan of) appears to see Hunter as a late riser and seems to suggest he has (or at least might have) considerable upside. If Timmins sees things the same way then he just might take a flyer on Hunter. Again though, depends on whose available and where Timmins sees Hunter on the development curve (ie. whether he has a great deal more upside).

Personally, I think if Ho-Sang is available (and I don't think he will be), I'd take him at 26 (despite the red flags) and never look back, but that's just me.

Edit: I do think the guy Habs take in the 1st is going to turn out to be better than one would normally expect at 26. Just have a "good feeling" about that pick this year for some inexplicable reason. Probably delusional on my part. *lol*

 

[Fozz]

He sounds like a Krug type of player plus attitude problems.

I reallly don't see him being an NHL player at all to be honnest. Sure he can put up points but he is bad on D and undersized. I would stay far far away.

If we were to draft DeAngelo, folks here would instantly consider him one of the most talented player in the draft that just needs time to mature a little.

 

[Whitesnake]

How come?

All a question of trying to predict if they'll flourish at another level and based on the viewings I had. No need to try to think that I'm bias AGAINST smaller players, I have TONS of small and frail players on my list....

Besides, based on my Gilbert Brule bad assessment, I'm always more careful on smaller guys who don't play the way their size indicate them to play. Mind you, It's not a problem that guys like Hawryluk and Point just implicate themselves physically...but they might hinder their chance of a productive and big career if they don't adapt their game. As far as Baillie is concerned, I'm just mostly going with the improvement or lack thereof compared to his 1st Junior season. He still had a very good one but I'm not sure I saw him take leaps of improvement which is somewhat a concern.

Mind you, all 3 guys should and will go 2nd round. Which my ND really means so much....In the 3rd round.....I would consider them. Obviously, Braden Point would be the guy I'd target if he'd mysteriously be there. Our problem is not that we only have a 3rd rounder....it's because we have a low 3rd round.

 

[Whitesnake]

Why De Leo, Smith, and Nantel as NDs?

Well when it's time to draft smaller players, I do think that you have to do an extra effort on trying to predict their evoluation in time and how their play will translate. Besides, I've seen around 5ish games by him and never came away impressed. His name at one point was really close to Fabbri and frankly, for me, it's 2 different worlds.

Smith...well I don't believe in his upside. I will never believe that this guy is top 6. Of course, he could be bottom 6 and it could work out. Just that I don't want him 1st round. If we grab a 2nd round pick, I will have BETTER player than him and he's not going to be there in 3rd, and even if he is...chances are I prefer other players as well. Again, of course if he falls 4th round and up....take him. But he won't.

Nantel looks to me like the type of guy with a lot of tools but no toolbox. And it's tougher to acquire than most people think. Add to that that I don't like his efforts....I just don't see him as a NHL'er.

 

[Whitesnake]

No Audette? I think he's very underrated. Has a lot of skill.

Not in my wishlist, not in ND either. I'd be OK with him....but not really in 3rd round. 4th round would be fine with me. I have other players I prefer than him and I'M just a little concerned about his pro level ceiling.

Edit: I just saw I added Audette in my ND, I'm removing him from that list. I had him in there at first but changed my mind and thought I had removed him.

 

[goforit]

this is an extremely accurate NHL draft value chart, pretty sure it's the one Kekalainen was referring to in the 2013 draft

the teams that have multiple picks in the 2nd are:

St. Louis - #33 and #52 (these 2 picks come out to 429 pts, almost exact value for our 1st rounder)
Anaheim - #38 and #55
Buffalo - #31, #39 and #49
Nashville - #42 and #46
San Jose - #51 and #53
Calgary - #34 and #54
New York Islanders - #35 and #57 (our 2nd)
Arizona - #43 and #58

Somebody on Mathias Brunet's blog posted that it was a NFL draft chart?!

 

[Whitesnake]

At 26, if (unlikely) both McKeown and Sanheim are available who would you prefer?

Tough question for me. Saw McKeown play more and find that his weaknesses are overblown. Saw Sanheim a little less but saw improvement in his game which is always a big plus. If I really have to choose....I'd go Sanheim but it's much closer than it looks.

 

[Fozz]

NO DRAFT
Chase De Leo
Jayce Hawryluk
Brayden Point
Daniel Audette
Hunter Smith
Vaclav Karabacek
Tyson Baillie
Matthew Highmore
Reid Duke
Julien Nantel
Anthony DeLuca
Carl Neill
Roberts Lipsbergs
Rinat Valiyev

Are you saying that you wouldn't draft these guys even if they were available in the 7th round?

I have trouble with De Leo, Hawryluk and Karabacek being on that list. Especially Karabacek could end up making this look real bad.

 

[Whitesnake]

Are you saying that you wouldn't draft these guys even if they were available in the 7th round?

I have trouble with De Leo, Hawryluk and Karabacek being on that list. Especially Karabacek could end up making this look real bad.

I think I said it at the beginning of my list....those are mostly ND,s based on where they are scheduled to go. Not because I hate them. Yes, most of them, I'd pick in the 4th round. But probably not in the first 3 even if we add a 2nd rounder. Because I prefer other players. And because I'm not totally in love with them. Still....there's a limit to NOT be in love. Frankly this year, I don't think I HATE anybody. At least compared to every other year who I did.

Now, DeLeo, I was never impressed with and he has a LOT of job in bulking up. People at one point had De Leo close to Fabbri and for me, it's a world of difference. Hawryluk, for me, will have to change the way he plays the game Brule style. And I was NEVER impressed by how Karabacek was always waiting for things to happen and not use his huge talent to be a catalyst. Again though, Karabacek is my 2014 Athanasiou. I had Athanasiou on ND and he's about to make me eat some crow. Maybe the same thing will happen to Karabacek. I'm taking my chances again. I don't like crow though so if it happens again....I'll make my ND list even shorter....

Now realistically, guys in that list that "could" "maybe" be there in the 7th round are: Highmore, Nantel, De Luca, Neill and Lipsbergs. And frankly, it all depends of who would still be there. But not sure I'd even be interested.