Prospect Info: 2014 Draft Thread

[CobraAcesS]

Craig Button's most recent list (June 3rd) is interesting, especially considering the guys we've talked about most.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

Just an example of how 'all over the map' the first round could be outside of the top 5-10 guys IMO.

The top 30

1. Sam Reinhart 1 Kootenay (WHL) Nov. 6/95 C R 6'0/185 60 36 69 105 24
2. Aaron Ekblad 2 Barrie (OHL) Feb. 7/96 D R 6'4/216 58 23 30 53 4
3. Sam Bennett 3 Kingston (OHL) Jun. 20/96 C L 6'0/178 57 36 55 91 34
4. Leon Draisaitl 4 Prince Albert (WHL) Oct. 27/95 C L 6'2/208 64 38 67 105 7
5. Michael Dal Colle 5 Oshawa (OHL) Jun. 20/96 LW L 6'2/179 67 39 56 95 8
6. Nikolaj Ehlers 7 Halifax (QMJHL) Feb. 14/96 LW L 6'0/162 63 49 55 104 65
7. Haydn Fleury 10 Red Deer (WHL) Jul. 8/96 D L 6'3/198 70 8 38 46 15
8 Travis Sanheim 32 Calgary (WHL) Mar. 29/96 D L 6'3/181 67 5 24 29 25
9. William Nylander 13 Modo (SWE) May 1/96 LW R 5'11/169 22 1 6 7 -3
10. Adrian Kempe 9 Modo Jr. (SWE) Sep. 13/96 LW L 6'2/187 45 5 6 11 5
11. Brendan Perlini 6 Niagara (OHL) Apr. 30/96 LW L 6'3/205 58 34 37 71 -2
12. Vlad Kamenev 25 Magnitigorsk (MHL) Aug. 12/96 C L 6'2/176 15 4 6 10 10
13. Kasperi Kapanen 14 Kalpa (FIN) Jul. 23/96 RW R 5'11/172 47 7 7 14 -8
14. Ivan Barbashev 16 Moncton (QMJHL) Dec. 14/95 C/LW L 6'1/185 48 25 43 68 -11
15. Anthony DeAngelo 12 Sarnia (OHL) Oct. 24/95 D R 5'11/175 51 15 56 71 -34
16. Nick Ritchie 15 Peterborough (OHL) Dec. 5/95 LW L 6'2/231 61 39 35 74 4
17. Brayden Point 24 Moose Jaw (WHL) Mar. 13/96 C R 5'10/160 72 36 55 91 -27
18. Julius Honka 17 Swift Current (WHL) Dec. 3/95 D R 5'11/178 62 16 40 56 10
19. Jared McCann 8 S. Ste. Marie (OHL) May 31/96 C L 6'0/179 64 27 35 62 9
20. Sonny Milano 18 USNTDP (USHL) May 12/96 LW L 6'0/183 58 29 57 86 -
21. Dylan Larkin 19 USNTDP (USHL) Jul. 30/96 C L 6'1/190 60 31 25 56 -
22. Kevin Fiala 34 HV-71 (SWE) Jul. 22/96 RW L 5'10/180 27 10 15 25 11
23. Jakub Vrana 36 Linkoping (SWE) Feb. 28/96 RW L 5'11/185 19 12 9 21 2
24. Nick Schmaltz 22 Green Bay (USHL) Feb. 23/96 C R 6'0/170 55 18 45 63 -3
25. David Pastrnak 11 Sodertalje (SWE) May 25/96 RW R 6'0/167 36 8 16 24 7
26. Alex Nedeljkovic 30 Plymouth (OHL) Jan. 7/96 G L 6'0/184 61 2.88 .925 1 26-27-7
27. Josh Jacobs 26 Indiana (USHL) Feb. 15/96 D R 6'2/193 56 5 18 23 36
28. Robert Fabbri 38 Guelph (OHL) Jan. 22/96 C L 5'10/166 58 45 42 87 45
29. Marcus Pettersson 31 Skelleftea (SWE) May 8/96 D L 6'4/167 38 4 14 18 1
30. Connor Bleackley 23 Red Deer (WHL) Feb. 7/96 RW R 6'1/192 71 29 39 68 3

Interesting how so many of the guys we've talked about are actually in the second round on his list.

31. Dominik Masin - Slavia (Czech) Feb. 1/96 D L 6'2/189 39 2 19 21 6
32. Alex Tuch 27 USNTDP (USHL) May 10/96 RW R 6'4/213 61 29 35 64 -
33. Brendan Lemieux 51 Barrie (OHL) Mar. 15/96 LW L 6'0/206 65 27 26 53 -7
34. Nikolay Goldobin 28 Sarnia (OHL) Oct. 7/95 LW L 6'0/178 67 38 56 94 -30
35. Nikita Scherbak 21 Saskatoon (WHL) Dec. 30/95 LW L 6'0/172 65 28 50 78 -16
36. Brett Pollock 46 Edmonton (WHL) Mar. 17/96 LW L 6'2/182 71 25 30 55 18
37. Ryan MacInnis 33 Kitchener (OHL) Feb. 14/96 C L 6'4/175 66 16 21 37 -28
38. Mason McDonald 52 Charlot'n (QMJHL) Apr. 23/96 G R 6'4/178 29 3.44 .900 0 8-18-0
39. Josh Ho Sang 20 Windsor (OHL) Jan. 22/96 C/RW R 5'11/166 64 31 53 84 27
40. Anton Karlsson 29 Frolunda Jr.(SWE) Aug. 3/96 RW L 6'0/187 28 12 10 22 3
41. Michael Bunting 39 S. Ste-Marie (OHL) Sep. 17/95 LW L 5'11/174 48 15 27 42 10
42. Adam O. Mattsson 43 Djurgarden (SWE) Jul. 30/96 D L 6'4/209 33 1 8 9 2
43. Jake Virtanen 41 Calgary (WHL) Aug. 17/96 RW R 6'1/213 71 45 26 71 23 Thought he was supposed to be way higher?
44. John Quenneville 44 Brandon (WHL) Apr. 16/96 C L 6'1/182 11 25 33 58 3
45. Jayce Hawryluk 47 Brandon (WHL) Jan. 1/96 C R 5'10/190 59 24 40 64 16

 

[tigervixxxen]

Yeah that list is a bit exotic. McKeown at 51! I'm not sure what to make of it. Virtanen will be a top 10 pick. No way he gets that far even if he falls. I want to see Bob's final list, that might give a better indication of how things are going to go. I feel like some wild **** is going to happen though. I wouldn't be surprised if the draft unfolded in some unexpected manner.

 

[henchman21]

Thought he was supposed to be way higher?

It is Button, but a segment of people are not high on him... again though, it is Button and his rankings are always all over the place. Like Sanheim, love the kid and he is a good prospect... not a chance I would take him at 8.

I agree that the draft is going to be all over the board after the top two tiers of players are gone.

 

[landy92mack29]

did button get hit in the head with a puck?
Virtanen is a top 11 pick guaranteed.
hope the other teams go by this because scherbak/goldobin/karlsson should all be higher.

also deangelo at 15?

 

[henchman21]

also deangelo at 15?

If you can ignore the off the ice stuff, I could see that or even higher. The kid is seriously talented.

 

[landy92mack29]

If you can ignore the off the ice stuff, I could see that or even higher. The kid is seriously talented.

off ice affects value a lot though. he could be a subban

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

If the 2nd turns out to be like that I hope the Avs just trade for a bunch of 2nd round picks.

 

[henchman21]

off ice affects value a lot though. he could be a subban

Subban is just cocky... DeAngelo has some real personality issues.

Some GMs and scouts simply don't care about off-ice issues, just like in any sport. Some care, some don't. Button obviously doesn't think DeAngelo's matter.

 

[Gabe the Babe]

Virtanen at 43 lmao. Seriously trade down and grab two or three 2nds if that's the case.

 

[landy92mack29]

Subban is just cocky... DeAngelo has some real personality issues.

Some GMs and scouts simply don't care about off-ice issues, just like in any sport. Some care, some don't. Button obviously doesn't think DeAngelo's matter.

meant skill wise and being a 2nd round pick.

wasn't off-ice issues the main reason seguin was shipped out of boston?

 

[tigervixxxen]

The Avs put up a profile on Larkin. Probably doesn't mean anything but we can pretend they are giving us hints by who they profile

 

[Iracundia]

The Avs put up a profile on Larkin. Probably doesn't mean anything but we can pretend they are giving us hints by who they profile

It's a smokescreen. Here's the proof

Favorite team: Toronto Maple Leafs

 

[chet1926]

The Avs put up a profile on Larkin. Probably doesn't mean anything but we can pretend they are giving us hints by who they profile

They did the same thing last year, putting up stuff on Barkov, Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin etc. I think they just pick some of the players slotted around the sport where we are supposed to pick and highlight them for the fans to get a feel for them.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Oh yeah, I don't expect any real hints I'm just bored and curious to see who they pick since probably about 30 guys could realistically get taken at that spot.

 

[Wintersun]

It's a smokescreen. Here's the proof

Favorite team: Toronto Maple Leafs

We could trade him for Bozak after.

 

[R S]

Yeah that list is a bit exotic. McKeown at 51! I'm not sure what to make of it. Virtanen will be a top 10 pick. No way he gets that far even if he falls. I want to see Bob's final list, that might give a better indication of how things are going to go. I feel like some wild **** is going to happen though. I wouldn't be surprised if the draft unfolded in some unexpected manner.

did button get hit in the head with a puck?
Virtanen is a top 11 pick guaranteed.
hope the other teams go by this because scherbak/goldobin/karlsson should all be higher.

also deangelo at 15?

Why do people do this every year?

Button's list is his personal ranking...not a list of who will go where. It's been widely discussed that he doesn't have a super high opinion of Virtanen. He's not saying he will get picked in the second round, he's saying he rates him as a second round talent...that's all.

McKenzie's list is always going to be 100x as accurate because it's a poll from scouts on who will go where, not an individual ranking list like Button's.

 

[R S]

off ice affects value a lot though. he could be a subban

What's wrong with Subban...off the ice?

He's got a big personality, not like DeAngelo who was suspended for saying some pretty gross and disgraceful things about an actual teammate. A big difference there.

Personally, I want good people on my team. You don't want to draft kids that are going to end up being hated by their own teammates.

Avs think along those lines too, not a chance we draft DeAngelo.

 

[Foppa2118]

The Avs put up a profile on Larkin. Probably doesn't mean anything but we can pretend they are giving us hints by who they profile

They've done this in the past a few times. I can't remember who they put up though. Anyone remember?

 

[landy92mack29]

What's wrong with Subban...off the ice?

He's got a big personality, not like DeAngelo who was suspended for saying some pretty gross and disgraceful things about an actual teammate. A big difference there.

Personally, I want good people on my team. You don't want to draft kids that are going to end up being hated by their own teammates.

Avs think along those lines too, not a chance we draft DeAngelo.

when I said he could be a subban I meant a player who dropped to the 2nd round who becomes a steal and very good pick(subban 2nd rd 43rd)

my favourite non avs players are stamkos/subban/price

 

[Bender]

Just picked up my Hockey News Draft Preview...in the Avs section, it says that Siemens "is starting to look like a bust".

Nothing like giving a 20 year old, 1st year pro even a little chance.

As always, The Hockey News is continuing to do a great job justifying my subscription cancellation from 3-4 years ago (Father's day gift).

 

[R S]

Just picked up my Hockey News Draft Preview...in the Avs section, it says that Siemens "is starting to look like a bust".

Nothing like giving a 20 year old, 1st year pro even a little chance.

As always, The Hockey News is continuing to do a great job justifying my subscription cancellation from 3-4 years ago (Father's day gift).

Was that written by Dater? I think they have been in the past.

 

[S E P H]

when I said he could be a subban I meant a player who dropped to the 2nd round who becomes a steal and very good pick(subban 2nd rd 43rd)

my favourite non avs players are stamkos/subban/price

I remember little in the 2007 draft in terms of watching and information, but I don't think he "dropped" to the second round. I think he was always to be a 2nd rounder. I actually looked back to some certain mock drafts, draft rankings, ISS, and CSS. He was never projected to be a 1st round player. So no he didn't drop. Someone dropping is along the lines of Wojtek Wolski or Cam Fowler. Or in other words a dropping player is someone projected higher in experts lists which is falling below that projected line.

Rinne didn't drop to the 8th round, Nashville just selected him them. Of course if you decide to do a re-draft, he would be a top 5 player from that draft.

 

[Avs71]

Just picked up my Hockey News Draft Preview...in the Avs section, it says that Siemens "is starting to look like a bust".

Nothing like giving a 20 year old, 1st year pro even a little chance.

As always, The Hockey News is continuing to do a great job justifying my subscription cancellation from 3-4 years ago (Father's day gift).

Strictly looking at the story lines and stats it is easy to see why people are coming to that conclusion.

Offensive production dropped continuously in all years following draft year, stripped of captaincy, injuries, cut immediately in training camp. There hasn't been a lot of positive news surrounding him. Of course, if he was picked in the 2nd round I don't think people would think twice about it, but when all the defencemen picked around him have already transitioned to the NHL, it hurts his value.

I'm not saying I agree with the bust sentiment, just you can see why people who don't follow the Avs are trying to justify that opinion.

I really hope Siemens turns into a player like Brendan Dillon. Might see a similar development too, making major strides at 21/22.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Why do people do this every year?

Button's list is his personal ranking...not a list of who will go where. It's been widely discussed that he doesn't have a super high opinion of Virtanen. He's not saying he will get picked in the second round, he's saying he rates him as a second round talent...that's all.

McKenzie's list is always going to be 100x as accurate because it's a poll from scouts on who will go where, not an individual ranking list like Button's.

Yes I can appreciate someone that puts their own opinions out there and gives food for thought. Putting a top 10 player that low or vice versa seems to be more to become a talking point more than anything. It doesn't really matter to me though, not a big deal.

THN piece on the Avs is signed ML. The whole thing was pretty negative.

 

[Freudian]

Putting up decent numbers in WHL probably created unrealistic expectations for Siemens two-way play.

Junior numbers (especially for overagers) should taken with a grain of salt. If you play on a good team with good partners and get a tonne of ice time and PP time, you'll probably put up good offensive numbers. That doesn't necessarily carry over to the pro game. When the players start playing in the AHL, we get a better idea of what offense there is.