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Boy am I eager to see PK Subban skating on a big ice. Team Canada is gonna love to use his speed on international ice.
Olympics: 2014 - Canada Roster Discussion (Part VI)
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Now I'm just playing conspiracy theorist here, but if I was having unofficial on-ice sessions, I wouldn't leak anything to the media either in case insurance companies claim it as quasi-official.
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Well yes, the poster above me stated that Kane would have been at the camp had he not been injured. I was simply stating the fact that it doesn't matter that he's injured because they're not actually on-ice at the camp. So the only conclusion is that Hockey Canada doesn't feel Kane is amongst the top 25 or so forwards at this point in time or is really in the running for a roster spot.
For the record, I would have liked to have seen Kane's name on the invite list, certainly ahead of Lucic. Amazing speed, agressiveness, and he's got a nose for the net. My feeling is that his poor showing in the KHL during the lockout hurt his chances, but that is just speculation.
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Luongo was the starting goaltender for the 2003 and 2004 teams in both gold medal wins. Also played some games at the 2001 and 2005 WCs, the 2006 Olympics and some icetime at the 1998 WJC. He has more international experience than Price on the big ice. That does not necessarily mean that he should be the starter or anything though.
To me, Kane is the uninvited skater most likely to make the team. As you said he is a great skater and also a good goalscorer, and he's also pretty good on the forecheck. I liked what he brought to the Getzlaf - Perry line at the 2012 WC.
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I've never played goaltender, but are the angles that much different on the international ice than on the NHL-sized ice? I mean, I imagine there are some slight differences, but unlike forwards or defencemen I'm not sure how much experience on the international ice really means at that position.
The tournaments are ages ago, but I thought Luongo was really good in 2006 (he was certainly not the reason we lost, and actual won a game for us (!), and of course he had that huge OT win in the semi-final of the 2004 World Cup against the Czechs. As far as 2010 is concerned, he obviously didn't cost us any games, and did enough to win without really standing on his head or looking like he was really on top of his game. He made some critical saves in the SF against Slovakia, but nothing you wouldn't expect any starting NHL goaltender to make really.
I remember he had many great saves against Russia, and against Slovakia too.(I remember the last one, of course, and the one against Palffy in 2nd period). He was a piece of the winning team. Nothing more, but nothing less. He was the second best goaltender that olympics IMO. Kiprusoff allowed 6 against the US, Halak lost semifinal and the bronze-medal game. Halak was maybe better at the time, but he didn't medal. Luongo won the gold. He allowed 2 goals in the final, nothing to shame, Miller allowed 3 goals.
Americans were a tough team, it was not like our defense was perfect.But I wouldn't have neither Luongo nor Price as a starter. Crawford just won the Stanley Cup and was definitely a candidate for the MVP, in my opinion. Isn't it that thing we all want ? A goalie who just won the Cup and was an important factor of it, to be the starter at olympics? He have to prove it next season, but I really think he's a good choice if he's right back at his best form. If Luongo has solid numbers and looks better than Crawford, it's his job to lose. Price or any other goaltender should really steps up if looking for the starter position.
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I hope you're correct, because if you aren't then Hockey Canada needs a kick in the head.
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As it turns out you are right again, he may have more experience on international ice, but you still haven't changed my opinion though...considering on what we judge the the WHC to be (A B level tournament)
and I wouldn't reference the 98 WJC (in Europe BTW) which he was a part of...as that team was far worse than even the 06 Torino team... He did rebound in 99 WJC (in Winnipeg BTW) as the starter, played in the gold medal game but lost. so, unless Lou comes out of the gates looking sharp and focused and looking like a true number 1 netminder on the top of his game.. then I'm still going with Price. I definitely should look to finding some video on the 03 and 04 WHC as a refresher; as some of the finer points of those 2 particular gold medal triumphs I have forgotten over time... (must be getting old).
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To be clear, I'm not saying that Luongo should be the starter due to his experience, or even that he should be the starter at all. I am only saying that he has more experience than Price on international ice, which is not a matter of opinion. That of course is not the be all and end all. Even though the WC is a low level tournament, it would have been nice to see Price participate in either of the last two years.
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I hear that... and I do think he came up with a rather lame ass excuse in 2012 for not going .... saying he took a puck off the head in practice a week or so before the end of the season which nobody on the team seemed to be aware of... I was critical and blasted him for it...the same way I blasted Stamkos for going balls out to score his 60th goal of the season but then only to come up with a nagging shoulder excuse...I don't blame these players as much as I blame Hockey Canada...they dick around these players as juniors so much (Nathan Mackinnon) and then once they are in a position to tell Hockey Canada to **** off.... they do. I would too. I'm no big fan of Hockey Canada and the idiots running it.
I agree RNH and Eberle to me are on the outside looking in for Sochi. There are other better options for Sochi. They are not ready yet for prime time. 2018 is their year.
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Really? You hide your disdain so well.
When it comes to goaltending, there really isn't a great option. Canada has won big tournaments with similar goaltending situations before though, and obviously there is a big edge at forward and defence. The best hope is that some goaltender has a hot year, somewhat similar to Miller in 2010, or at least that whoever actually plays in Sochi doesn't screw up.
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I really should work on being more vocal.
That excludes of course Yzerman, Armstrong, Babcock, etc., the Hockey Guys...I'm talking about the bureaucrats Nicholson and his crew...If I had a vote they'd be turfed from the scene and the sooner the better. Unfortunately I do not get to vote.
BTW what time is the HC presser today?
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Both.
http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/story/?id=430349
To give the Canadian Roster Discussion thread something to discuss, I would imagine.
"Yes, we have a group of people we may select for the team. Yes, we're looking forward to the Olympics; no, we won't be taking anyone lightly, blah blah blah etc."
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Stamkos-Crosby-St.Louis
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Getzlaf, Carter
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Luongo
Price
Fleury
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Getzlaf, Carter
Weber-Doughty
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Price
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so the country can hear Nicholson say "you know what" 400 times. Sorry Jack, just had to get that shot in at Bob "you know what" Nicholson.
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Ehhh I'm ambivalent about Nicholson and the HC crew. Spoke to him at a museum in Buffalo a few years ago (he was had just finished a meeting with Fehr) and he seemed like a good enough guy. The only real important things though are results and growth, and lately these things have not been so impressive.
Ultimately, the press conference is a bit of hype for HC and the impending Olympics, with TSN as the main beneficiary. They might drop one or two interesting tidbits, but that would be the most I am guessing.
Perry and Seabrook make this team for sure. I wouldn't be surprised to see Subban off as HC is not very high on him.
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I like what I'm hearing from Yzerman and Babcock though..."skating will be the priority" "you got to be able to skate'"... which means I may get my wish of Perry and a few of the other slow pokes watching from southern cali and not playing. Although, until I actually see Hockey Canada practice what they preach, I'll just remain cautiously optimistic.
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